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GREECE RETURNED MACEDONIAN AIRPLANE



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Greece denied flyover clearance to a passenger plane of the Macedonian airliner MAT, despite previous approval of the route by Eurocontrol.

After taking off Monday night, MAT's airplane was en route from Skopje to the Egyptian resort of Sharm El Sheikh. While approaching the Greek airspace, the plane was denied clearance to fly over.

The aircraft had to change its route and reach Egypt via Turkey.

This marks the first case of denying permission to a Macedonian airplane since the latest threats of the Greek authorities of doing so.

MAT announced to raise a lawsuit against Greece at an international court


MD: And the comedy goes on...Unbelievable!

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Of course this is not the first time...as Greece always dosen't allow airplanes under the Greek name, 'MACEDONIA' to pass through as Pseudomacedonia is a hostile country using and falsificating Greek symbols and History... And always will be like this, till this comedy of the falsification hostile nation ends...
But now as is time for election in Bananomacedonia, they give out these silly news for electoral purposes...

Such fascist pigs the greeks are.

The Macedonians were Macedonian way before the greeks thought it was fashionable. Apart from mixed sources regarding Alexander's history, the greeks have no link to Macedonia, as they inherited Macedonian land in 1913 for the first time in history. If you don't believe me, look this up yourself.

Sorry... annexed Macedonian land in 1913 by force. It was illegal to say the word 'Macedonia' in greece not too long ago, now they're all Macedonians! Haha what a joke of a country. Thank god the world is noticing racist greek lies

This is a Macedonian site so piss off back to republic Greece. God will punish all you lying Greeks for all your sins against a innocent nation.

what a bunch of clowns.
shove ur fuckenn hellas up your arse

I hope they sue their fat arses good and proper!

The inhabitants of The FYROM are mostly Slavs, Bulgarians and Albanians. They have nothing in common with the ancient Macedonians. Here are some testimonies from The FYROM’s officials:



a. The former President of The FYROM, Kiro Gligorov said:[/B] “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century … we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians” (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).

b. Also, Mr Gligorov declared:”We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That’s who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century” (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).

c. On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: “We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great … Greece is Macedonia’s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz.” In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that “we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.”

d. On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM’S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, “We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.” He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country.”

e. Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they“belong to the same Slav people.”

fascist pigs

is your stupitGruefski

If you guys have not seen the Borate animation it’s a real must for any Macedonian it’s funny and Greeks hate it.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=C1mvf3O_EyQ

Have you ever thought why all this is happening NOW?

NOW that you have elections? Just go back in time and try to remember how often you heard news about MAT.
Maybe you believe that MAT was allowed to cross Greek airspace?
Maybe not?
Maybe somebody is trying to manipulate you? Fill you with anger against the fascist pigs?
Just try to think a bit.

This is a must for every Macedonian who loves new discovery it’s and interview with translators of The Rosetta stone Macedonian ancient languages.

http://milenko.com.mk/videa_tentov.html

This is a must for every Macedonian who loves new discovery it’s and interview with translators of The Rosetta stone Macedonian ancient languages.

http://milenko.com.mk/videa_tentov.html

The former President Kiro Gligorov moved to Burgaria answer.


Maybe his mother is Bulgarian and his father a Macedonian
Or his just a crook who stole the peoples money or maybe he’s drinking from your water with magical mushrooms but then did you not still Macedonia.

You killed any one who did not change there named to a Greek name they had no choice but to leave you oppression read the Bucharest treaty.

And you’re still trying to still Cyprus from the Turks?

You act as if you Greeks don’t marry other nationalist yeh like heel two co-workers both Greeks married two Indian Moslems brothers at work so what do think there children going to be like half chocolate and half white pray to Allah or God?

They laid on there backs to clime the corporate ladder there husband where mangers at the time so what do call that if not greedy and money hungry just like our ex-prime minister.

I think there younger brother was luck he married a Canadian.

And yes there hiding down under I wonder how you bustards are going to cope with Indian blood mixed with your so called pure Greek blood.

But why live anywhere else if Greece is such a prospers and democratic place your all very tolerant and accepting of people no matter what there colure is and religion they practise.

I would imagine answerer would be preferable than facing death I wonder why he did not chose your country to run too?

And I though you people where just delusional because of your stories of mythologic creatures like half man half horse.

This article in a Sydney news paper today confirms there are no sane people in all of Greece.

Because it can’t be pasted I type it in but I still can’t believe its true,
No wonder the world is laughing at you not with you because this just shows your all meant ley unstable what’s in your water magic mushrooms.

8 Wednesday April 30, 2008
Mx News

*RECLAIM NAME

WE ARE THE REAL LESBIANS

Residents of a geek island which lent its name to gay women are suing to reclaim the word as their own.

The residents of Lesbos have launched the suit against a gay group, insisting hat they are the real Lesbians.

Two Lesbos inhabitants and a member of a nationalist pagan association today launched a legal case to ban the Greek gay and Lesbian Union (olke) from bearing the name “lesbian”.

Lesbian is derived from Lesbos the home of ancient poet Sappho, who expressed her love of other women in lyric verses written in the early sixth century BC.
Her name is also the origin of Sapphic, a synonym of lesbian.

Lesbos residents now suffer psychological and moral rape from the seizure of their island’s name by gay women said activist Dimities Lambrou in a text titled The Misfortune of Being Lesbian, on his website.

Lambrou believes the case will be judged in Athens in June.

This affair is totally ridiculous said OLKE spokeswoman Evangelia Vlami.

But if we are summoned by the courts we will be eared.

Lesbos id often referred to in Greece as Mytilene, the island’s capital.

The resort of Eressos is a popular tourist destination for lesbians visiting the Aegean island in the northeast of the Orthodox Christian country.

It’s a bit difficult to understand but in general I agree with some points of the previous post (about pure blood). Nobody can claim pure blood. In my opinion, pure blood can be found only in very closed, conservatives societies. For sure nobody that lived on the Greek land and the Balkans (and Europe) can claim pure blood. Somebody who claimed pure blood started the world war 2.

But what all this has to do with Cyprus? We are tiring to steal? Well.. Cyprus is not thousands years old issue but only some decades. If you are interest enough just read the events. I am sure will find plenty of them. Even the Turkish side of this story does not support your case.

We killed anyone who didn’t change the name? Well… we faced similar treatment from Turks and Bulgarians, but that was before a century. All Balkan nations acted in a similar way.. but I forgot… you were never had a nation. You were always part of another country!

In general, I believe that you have the right to use the word Macedonia. Not because you came from ancient Macedonians but because you live in a part of Macedonia. We also have the right to call ourselves Macedonians because we also live (some of us) in the same land.

My origin is from Crete, my wife is Ukrainian. But my kids will be Greek Macedonians just because we live here. Not because of our blood.

Michelos, well said, they will be Greek Macedonians because of their paideia, their cultural upbringing. But the Greek language makes it so much easier to identify as a Macedonian.

Lets sea the facts
what history says::



It is noted that FYROM's proper name is VARDAR as shown in the 1931 Constitution of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia

oops

# The name Macedonia came from the Dorian Greeks, who were called "Macedni." The language they spoke in ancient times was a Greek dialect.

# The Macedonians were ancient Dorian Greeks who entered the geographical area of Macedonia at about 1100 B.C., long before the Slavs appeared in that part of the world.

# Macedonia, ruled by Philip II of Macedon was one of the ancient Greek states, just like Athens was a separate state, Sparta was a separate state, etc. Its geography did not even include present-day FYROM.
oooooopsssssss

# Slavic tribes (the people of FYROM are of Slavic descent) originated from the territories of modern Belarus, Poland, European Russia and Ukraine. They migrated to the region during the 6th century A.D., 800 years after Alexander the Great lived.


oooooooopsssssssss

# During World War II, Yugoslavia's Marshal Tito established Western Macedonia as one of Yugoslavia's six republics. Before World War II, the area was referred to as VARDARSKA.

# With the appropriation of the name "Macedonia", Tito also created a mythic language (Slavic in origin, based on West Bulgarian dialects) called "Macedonian",


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Demosthenes grew interested in politics during his time as a logographer, and in 354 BC he gave his first public political speeches. He went on to devote his most productive years to opposing Macedon's expansion. He idealized his city and strove throughout his life to restore Athens' supremacy and motivate his compatriots against Philip II of Macedon. He sought to preserve his city's freedom and to establish an alliance against Macedon, in an unsuccessful attempt to impede Philip's plans to expand his influence southwards by conquering all the Greek states. After Philip's death, Demosthenes played a leading part in his city's uprising against the new King of Macedon, Alexander the Great. However, his efforts failed and the revolt was met with a harsh Macedonian reaction. To prevent a similar revolt against his own rule, Alexander's successor, Antipater, sent his men to track Demosthenes down. Demosthenes took his own life, in order to avoid being arrested by Archias, Antipater's confidant.

Hers a Greek making a distinction between the Greek and there concurring victors the Macedonian.

Note their where city states ruled no kings.

Herodotus of Halicarnassus (Greek: Ἡρόδοτος Ἁλικαρνᾱσσεύς Hēródotos Halikarnāsseús) was a Greek historian who lived in the 5th century BC (c. 484 BC–c. 425 BC) and is regarded as the "Father of History" in Western culture. He was the first historian to collect his materials systematically, test their accuracy to a certain extent, and arrange them in a well constructed and vivid narrative[1] He is almost exclusively known for writing The Histories, a record of his 'inquiries' (or ἱστορίαι, a word that passed into Latin and took on its modern connotation of history) into the origins of the Greco-Persian Wars which occurred in 490 and 480-479 BC — especially since he includes a narrative account of that period, which would otherwise be poorly documented, and many long digressions concerning the various places and peoples he encountered during wide-ranging travels around the lands of the Mediterranean and Black Sea. However, some of his stories are not always completely accurate. Herodotus however does state he is only reporting what is told to him, an honesty lacking in many historians.

Herodotus' invention has earned him the twin titles The Father of History and The Father of Lies.[3] As these epithets would seem to imply, there has long been a debate—at least from the time of Cicero's 'On the Laws' (Book 1, paragraph 5)—concerning the veracity of his tales, and, more importantly, concerning the extent to which he knew himself to be creating fabrications. Indeed, every manner of argument has surfaced on this subject, from a devious and consciously-fictionalizing Herodotus to a gullible Herodotus whose sources 'saw him coming a long way off'.

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By Herodotus

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Translated by George Rawlinson

These persons were to go to Amyntas, and require him to give earth and water to King Darius. Now there is a very short cut from the Lake Prasias across to Macedonia. Quite close to the lake is the mine which yielded afterwards a talent of silver a day to Alexander; and from this mine you have only to cross the mountain called Dysorum to find yourself in the Macedonian territory.

So the Persians sent upon this errand, when they reached the court, and were brought into the presence of Amyntas, required him to give earth and water to King Darius. And Amyntas not only gave them what they asked, but also invited them to come and feast with him; after which he made ready the board with great magnificence, and entertained the Persians in right friendly fashion. Now when the meal was over, and they were all set to the drinking, the Persians said-

"Dear Macedonian, we Persians have a custom when we make a great feast to bring with us to the board our wives and concubines, and make them sit beside us. Now then, as thou hast received us so kindly, and feasted us so handsomely, and givest moreover earth and water to King Darius, do also after our custom in this matter."

Then Amyntas answered- "O, Persians! we have no such custom as this; but with us men and women are kept apart. Nevertheless, since you, who are our lords, wish it, this also shall be granted to you."

When Amyntas had thus spoken, he bade some go and fetch the women. And the women came at his call and took their seats in a row over against the Persians. Then, when the Persians saw that the women were fair and comely, they spoke again to Amyntas and said, that "what had been done was not wise; for it had been better for the women not to have come at all, than to come in this way, and not sit by their sides, but remain over against them, the torment of their eyes." So Amyntas was forced to bid the women sit side by side with the Persians. The women did as he ordered; and then the Persians, who had drunk more than they ought, began to put their hands on them, and one even tried to give the woman next him a kiss.

King Amyntas saw, but he kept silence, although sorely grieved, for he greatly feared the power of the Persians. Alexander, however, Amyntas' son, who was likewise there and witnessed the whole, being a young man and unacquainted with suffering, could not any longer restrain himself. He therefore, full of wrath, spake thus to Amyntas:- "Dear father, thou art old and shouldst spare thyself. Rise up from table and go take thy rest; do not stay out the drinking. I will remain with the guests and give them all that is fitting."

Amyntas, who guessed that Alexander would play some wild prank, made answer:- "Dear son, thy words sound to me as those of one who is well nigh on fire, and I perceive thou sendest me away that thou mayest do some wild deed. I beseech thee make no commotion about these men, lest thou bring us all to ruin, but bear to look calmly on what they do. For myself, I will e'en withdraw as thou biddest me."

Amyntas, when he had thus besought his son, went out; and Alexander said to the Persians, "Look on these ladies as your own, dear strangers, all or any of them- only tell us your wishes. But now, as the evening wears, and I see you have all had wine enough, let them, if you please, retire, and when they have bathed they shall come back again." To this the Persians agreed, and Alexander, having got the women away, sent them off to the harem, and made ready in their room an equal number of beardless youths, whom he dressed in the garments of the women, and then, arming them with daggers, brought them in to the Persians, saying as he introduced them, "Methinks, dear Persians, that your entertainment has fallen short in nothing. We have set before you all that we had ourselves in store, and all that we could anywhere find to give you- and now, to crown the whole, we make over to you our sisters and our mothers, that you may perceive yourselves to be entirely honoured by us, even as you deserve to be- and also that you may take back word to the king who sent you here, that there was one man, a Greek, the satrap of Macedonia, by whom you were both feasted and lodged handsomely." So speaking, Alexander set by the side of each Persian one of those whom he had called Macedonian women, but who were in truth men. And these men, when the Persians began to be rude, despatched them with their daggers.

So the ambassadors perished by this death, both they and also their followers. For the Persians had brought a great train with them, carriages, and attendants, and baggage of every kind- all of which disappeared at the same time as the men themselves. Not very long afterwards the Persians made strict search for their lost embassy; but Alexander, with much wisdom, hushed up the business, bribing those sent on the errand, partly with money, and partly with the gift of his own sister Gygaea, whom he gave in marriage to Bubares, a Persian, the chief leader of the expedition which came in search of the lost men. Thus the death of these Persians was hushed up, and no more was said of it.

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By your nationalistic explosion you must have seen the Borate clip?

The Albanians burning your flag?

Turks? Well they don like pig but they love there roosted goat special if it come from Cyprus….yes????

The real problem is as we all know: THE ETHNIC MACEDONIAN minority in Greece! So the real reason for “the name dispute” really is: NOT recognising the minorities (ANY) so we don’t have to pay to the refugees who were sent away in 1926-1929 for the properties that they lost (and people from other parts inhabited the areas). There is a article in the greek law for properties saying that ONLY PEOPLE WITH GREEK GENES are aloud to get their lost properties back!!!! In fact they let some people get their property back by saying- we are Greek! If they let the rest hundreds of thousands refugees get their properties back (or get a proper compensation), that will cost Greece BILLIONS of Euros. We all know very well that Greece owe millions to EU, so it is not a good idea to play fair towards its neighbouring country Macedonia. Also according the newest report, the people in Greece own more than 250 BILION EUROS to the banks (for loans).That means around 23000 E per PERSON!!!! So Greece is not as strong and scary as they want to show!

Relation with your neighbour’s.


.Government allowing the publishing of the NATO documents before the meeting date???

.Or having your news papers state that Italy and France where your starch supports?

.Embarrassing their governments to publish a statement that they could see no reason why Macedonia can not receive an invitation but they have to stand by the organization decree that they will only take action if all members agree?

.Stoping the Macedonian airplane from flying international airways, what next you’re going to tell Turkey and Albania they can’t fly over your country?

.Have you asked your self why Chian wanted to join the NATO talks.

.They got Hong Kong back that’s way?

.Your destabilizing the Balkans over what self denial when threes proof all around the world that you discriminate agents all other nationalist and religions?

.People protest when the Pope visited?

.You has a court case regarding harassment of a prist and a Jewish man?

.All the country in front of you are against you and your stupid policies your economy sucks as badly as the entire Balkan region. Tourists keep you afloat and there your neighbours who cant afforded to fly to other places?

My friend moved to one of the islands and needed to come back to Australia because everything is so expansive. She could provide a better living standard for her family her in Australia on the social security system then both of them working full time in Greece.

Only a complete idiot can not see that you have bad relation with your neighbour’s.

TO THE ANONYMOUS DREAMER ABOUT 10 POSTS AGO.......

MACEDONIA WAS NEVER A GREEK CITY STATE UNDER PHILIP OR ANY OTHER KING.

GREECE NEVER CONQUERED MACEDONIA.

SO GO BACK TO YOUR DREAMWORLD MYTHOLOGY AND GET OFF THIS FORUM!!!

I just remind the to the sender of the previous post that the fact that Macedonia was not a city state didn’t not made non Greek. Every Greek king – ruler was organizing his area in the way he wanted to. I am sure you know the major differences between Athens and Sparta . According to your point of view, one of these must not be greek. Right? Well. There both were Greek!

So, the Macedonians were speaking Greek, writing Greek, they had the same gods, the same art but NO! they were not Greek. I never saw a good response to the language. Only some stupid answers like "if Sony is written in English, this doesn’t make Sony and English company". That’s true. While Sony’s headquarters are in Japan, they use yien currency. The Macedonian coins that are found in the land (and not only) of Macedonia have Greek letters on them. So, I assume that ordinary people who were using these coins every day were ABLE to read them. Right?

I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD LEAVE REPUBLIC MACEDONIA KEEP ITS CONSTITUTIONAL NAME AND GREECE SHOULD GET A LIFE. EVERYONE AROUND THE WORLD IS SICK OF LISTENING TO THE OLD BULLSHIT. GREEKS ARE NOT RELATED TO ANCIENT MACEDONIANS NEITHER ARE MACEDONIANS.
ONLY THE MACEDONIANS LIVING IN GREECE ARE RELATED. WHICH GREECE KEEPS LYING ABOUT TO THE WORLD. GOD WILL MAKE ALL GREEKS ACCOUNTABLE IN THE END AND THEY CALL THEMSELVES ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS???

What the Greeks are saying that Macedonians are related to Greeks. Not the opposite. Macedonians were a Greek tribe. Now, instead of trying to prove that Macedonians were not related to Greece and Greek history, you could have more chances to prove that your ancestors were Greeks (!) and that we are not related to them!

We non Greek and non Macedonians are fed up with all this crap. It is 2008. Greece should stop its bulling tactics of a smaller nation. Remember the universe has away of making you pay for your negatives.

A nation founded on a lie will not survive.

@ Michelos
You've done two things to prove that Pella was a greek city state
1. Jack, and
2. Shit

You based your proof on language, coinage and gods.

Firstly the above three criteria do not amount to statehood. For instance there is greek writing on the Rosetta Stone, hence in Egypt some must have spoken Greek, right? Therefore Alexandria was a greek city state right? Wrong!

Show me proof that all macedonians were able to compete in the olympic games....rather,Macedonians before and after Alexander and Philip were unable to comepete in the olympic games.

Also Greeks considered Macedonians as barbarians.

Why? because they weren't greek.

Your greek history of asimilation in Aegean Macedonia started in 1913

Greece may carry alot of weight and influence in this day, they are much richer than Macedonia but very naive. But you can never buy Pella and label it a greek city state. Sorry.

The Ancient city of Pella was the capital of MACEDONIA.

Long live MACEDONIA.

The plane was turned back because the Gods of Olympus and the sons and daughters of Alexander the Great said so. Any questions?

The plane was turned back because the Gods of Olympus and the sons and daughters of Alexander the Great said so. Any questions?

No questions.

Just advise see a doctore.

You sound like a person with a psychological disorder.

Can you see a half man and a half hores?

Persia wouldn't have been conquered with just a feable greek paramilitary. If it wasn't for the strong Macedonian army you greeks would have no history to brag about.

Obviously, Alexandria was not a Greek city state. Also, Pella was not a Greek city-state. It was just a Greek city. The fact that Macedonia was a kingdom does not make it non-Greek. This cannot be a proof of non Greek societies. The government system does not characterize nations. I have to remind you that before Philip and Alexander, Athens was ruling all middle and south Aegean with their ships. The difference is that they didn’t want to call it kingdom because it would brake the rules of their democracy.

As for language and coins, we are not talking for a Rosetta stone here, right? There maybe some Greek letters on a stone, but there are Egyptian too!
Can you show the old Macedonian way of speaking and writing? Any proof that they were using something more than Greek for their everyday language?

About Pella
If they were speaking Greek, and if their currency was in Greek and if people’s names were Greek then tell me why shouldn’t I believe that this city was (and is) Greek?

suck my MACEDONIAN COCK you african leftovers

the best thing about your geeeks is your girls fuck up the ass and swollow my cock down ther throats but once they feel it up the ass they give there dirty pussyes that smell on sovlaki
WE ARE COMING TO GET WHAT IS OURS
MAKEDONIJA

Come and GET IT!

BANANOMACEDONIANS EAT YOUR BANANAS NOW YOU ARE STILL EXIST,,, THIS WILL NOT LAST FOR LONG...

You are all a bunch of cock sucking arsholes

macedonia is macedonian and will allways be no matter how much ass you greeks give

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