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MACEDONIAN GOVERMENT CONDEMNS LATEST INCIDENTS IN GREECE



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The Government strongly condemns the latest incidents that took place in Macedonia's southern neighbor Greece, Government spokesman Ivica Bocevski told journalists.

"First of all I would like to remind that the house of Father Nikodim Carknias, archimandrite of the Macedonian Orthodox Church in Greece, was a target of a stone attack."

"This week we were reminded of the unpleasant events we had been witnessing on the Balkans for the last two decades, when some people, who refused to identify themselves, sent the most ferocious threats(terorrist video) to the Republic of Macedonia," Bocevski said.

These acts violate the fundamental human rights and freedoms of an EU citizen and bring harm to the good-neighbourly relations, Bocevski said, pointing out that the Republic of Macedonia is the one and only Balkan country that respects all of its neighbors.

Macedonian Government appeals to Greece's institutions to condemn these incidents in the spirit of good-neighborly relations, which are in favor of both countries, Bocevski added.


MD: Good to see a reaction by our government finally, however they should have been more furious and they should end the talks immediatelly! To see those threats he is talking about have a scroll down.

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You forgot the GREEK TERRORIST VIDEO (ha, ha, ha,..) of one of your previous post!
These terrorists are very dangerous! May be they will skare your cat! Keep it in a safe place!

ONE BANANADONIA

ONE BANANAFLAG

Learn to speak albanian you need it soon

UNTIL PSEUDOMACEDONIA DOESN'T RESPECT THE HISTORICAL AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF IT'S NEIGHBOURS, DOESN'T DESERVE TO EXIST, AND TO BE PART OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMUNITY, AS IT HAPPENS TILL NOW!
PSEUDOMACEDONIA IS THE ONLY AND UNIQUE EXAMPLE IN THE WORLDWILDE HISTORY, THAT HAVING ANY CONNECTION WITH A GEOGRAFICAL AND HISTORICAL AREA, TRIES TO IDENTIFY ITSELF UNDER THE HISTORICAL REALITY OF ANOTHER NATION, GREECE.
WE ALL KNOW THAT GRECE'S HISTORY IS THE MOST GLORIOUS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THAT ALL WESTERN AND MIDDLE ASIAN STATES ARE BASED AT THIS, SHARING IT'S VALUES, BUT NOT FALSIFICATING OR HAVING A HOSTILE AND UNBASED PROPAGANDA AGAINST GREECE.
YOU CAN NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF GREECE, AND I HOPE THAT GREECE WILL STOP TO SUPPORT YOUR EXISTENCE.
A MACEDONIAN

So, a "serious government" is talking about the youtube video. Great!

And you want to join NATO and EU?

For your consideration:
Dear friends, until recently, most Greeks, especially Macedonians, stated that ‘Macedonia is Greek’. But now there is a gigantic and irreversible shift in Greek policy and perception. Many Greeks have actually listened to the Makedonci with respect and they accept their neighbour to include the term ‘Macedonia’ in their name. They are also now accepting that Macedonia is a region, shared by our countries and with shared experiences.
In effect, now Greeks are moving much faster in accepting the ‘real history’. Perhaps that is why the highest number of readers and contributors to many Makedonce blog websites are Greeks (41.2% of the hits on your MD blog are from Greece!); Greeks are thirsty to discover, educate, debate, and they even argue between themselves on Makedonce sites!
But many Makedonci contributors seem to move in the opposite direction; they militate for one (Vergina) flag, total ownership of the name, and the ownership of the entire region of Macedonia by ethnically cleansing the Greeks both physically and from history. And, I am truly sorry to observe, there seems to be no debate between the Makedonci to try to understand the Greek experience.

This is an fragment of how the new Greek state saw itself in the early 19th century:
Author, Thomas Thornton, ‘The Present State of Turkey’, 1807.
p.10. “The whole of Greece is divided into four great pashaliks; Tripolizza, Egripo or Neropont, Yanina, and Salonica. The pashalik of […] Salonica [comprises], the southern divisions of Macedonia. The north of Macedonia is governed by beys;…”
p.14. The most fertile districts of Greece are Macedonia, Thessaly, and the eastern parts of Phocis and Boeotia.”

Authore, John L. Comstock, ‘History of the Greek Revolution compiled from official documents of the Greek government … and other authentic sources’, New York 1829.
p.2. “There is some difficulty in prescribing the exact boundaries of the country properly called Greece. Formerly it included Macedonia, Peloponnesus, the Ionian Islands, Crete and a part of what is now called Albania. [..] The present divisions of Greece, adopted by the [1829] provisional government, are: Eastern Hellas, Western Hellas, Morea, Epirus, Thessaly, Macedonia, Crete, and the Islands.
“[…] What proportion of Macedonia is considered as coming within the boundaries of Greece, we have no means of deciding. “

These extracts needs contextualising, but Greeks and their state have called, non-stop their Aegean Macedonia/historic Macedonia, ‘Macedonia’, to this day and not since 1988. Thank you.

THE TRUTH ABOUT MACEDONIA!


MACEDONIAN HISTORY AND THE FORGERS OF ALBANIA-FYROM-BULGARIA


The truth about Macedonia...

There is no doupt that ancient Macedonians were Greek. It is thoroughly proved by historic documents and archaeological discoveries which can be found in history books and museums in Greece and arround the world. The most important archeological discovery in Macedonia is the tomb of King Philippos II. It was excavated in Vergina, Greece in 1978 and it proves beyond any doubt the Greekness of ancient Macedonia. All the findings are characteristic of the Greek culture and all the inscriptions are written using the Greek language. Among the discoveries of this tomb is the "Vergina sun" the symbol that FYROM attempted to use on its flag initially.

Facts which prove that ancient Macedonians were Greek people:

• Macedonians spoke a dialect of the Greek language
All the monuments and inscriptions found in the Macedonia are written using the Greek language. Take a look at the archaeological discoveries. There is no historic evidence to suggest that the Macedonians were using a different language.

• Macedonians had Greek names
All the ancient Macedonian names mentioned in history or found on tombs are Greek. All the kings of Ancient Macedonia had Greek names. Nobody discovered ancient Macedonian names ending to -ov or -ovski or whatever.

Alexander's name is Greek. The word "Alexandros" is produced from the prefix alex(=protector) and the word andros(=man) meaning "he who protects men". The prefix "alex" can be found in many Greek words today (alexiptoto=parachute, alexisfairo=bulletproof - all these words have the meaning of protetion).

Philip's name is also Greek. It is produced from the prefix Philo(=friendly to something) and the word ippos(=horse) meaning the man who is friendly to horses. The prefix "philo" and the word "ippos" are also found in many words of Greek origin today (philosophy,philology, hippodrome,hippocampus).
A detailed list of ancient Macedonian names can be found here.

• The regions of ancient Macedonia had Greek names.
The regions which formed ancient Macedonia had Greek names. Most of these names are used in Greece even today.

• Macedonian architecture was similar to the Greek architecture.
All the buldings found in the Macedonia region have many common characteristics with the ones found in the rest of Greece. Palaces, temples, theaters markets are characteristic sampes of ancient Greek architecture.

• Macedonians fought together with the rest of the Greeks.
Macedonians always fought along with the other Greek city-states against enemies from Asia.

• Macedonians took part in the Olympic games.
It is well known then ONLY Greeks were allowed to take part in the ancient Olympic games. For a list of Macedonians who participated in the Olympic Games.

• Macedonians celebrated the same festivals as the rest of the Greeks.
Examples of festivals which were celebrated in Macedonia as well as in other Greek states are the "Hetaireidia", the "Apellaia" and many more.

• Macedonians worshiped the same Gods as the rest of the Greeks.
Several temples dedicated to the Greek Gods have beem discovered in Macedonia and especially in Dion the religious center of ancient Macedonians. It is obvious that the Macedonias worshiped the 12 Olympian Gods as the rest of the Greeks. The Gods were "living" on Mount Olympos which happens to be located in Macedonia. How would that be possible if there was hostility between Macedonians and Greeks? This is another proof that Macedonia was considered a part of Greece.

On the origin of the Macedonians:

The Greek origin of the Macedonians is proven by the vast majority of the ancient historians.
Diodoros of Sicily talks about the links of Alexander to the Greek mythology (Diodoros, Historical Library 17.1.5):


"On his father's side Alexander was a descendant of Heracles and on his mother's he could claim the blood of the Aeacids, so that from his ancestors on both sides he inherited the physical and moral qualities of greatness."
Herodotus confirms that the Macedonians were people of Greek origin (Histories of Herodotus Book 5, paragraph 22.1)


"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know and will prove it in the later part of my history.That they are so has been already adjudged by those who manage the Pan-Hellenic contest at Olympia. "
And later on (Book 8, paragraph 137.1) he verifies it:


"This Alexander was seventh in descent from Perdiccas, who got for himself the tyranny of Macedonia in the way that I will show. Three brothers of the lineage of Temenus came as banished men from Argos to Illyria, Gauanes and Aeropus and Perdiccas; and from Illyria they crossed over into the highlands of Macedonia till they came to the town Lebaea."
Also in the very first book of his "Histories" (paragraph 56.3 ) Herodotus states about the origin of the the Greek people :


"For in the days of king Deucalion it inhabited the land of Phthia, then the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus, in the time of Dorus son of Hellen; driven from this Histiaean country by the Cadmeans, it settled about Pindus in the territory called Macedonian; from there again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia into the Peloponnese, where it took the name of Dorian."
Thoukididis also verifies that the Macedonian kings' origin was from the Greek town of Argos (Book 2, 99.3):

Are FYROM's residents Macedonians?
A quick review of the Fyromian web sites wil prove that they seem to be confused themselves:

Some of them believe they are descedants of ancient Macedonians
Some of them beleive that they can consider themeselves Macedonians since they live in a part of what used to be ancient Macedonia
Some of them believe they are Macedonians but not directly linked to ancient Macedonians
Some of them believe they are Macedonians because they are free to call themselves as they like(!!!)
The official web site of the president of FYROM states clearly that these people came to Macedonia at the end 10th century:
"The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slaves go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11t, with the creation of Samoil's state."
Link:


http://www.president.gov.mk/eng/makedonija.htm

Suggestions

Some suggestions for FYROM's permanent name:
The name this region used since the 2nd world war - Vardarska
The ancient name of the region - Paionia
A name which describes the country geographicaly - Central Balkan Republic


• Bibliography about Macedonia
This is a list of books we recomend for further information about Macedonia and its history. The books listed below are written and published by non Greek authors and publishers so that they may not be characterised as biased.

"A history of Macedonia"
by N G L Hammond
and G T Griffith / F W Walbank
Oxford University Press, 1979

"In the Footsteps of Alexander the Great : A Journey from Greece to Asia"
by Michael Wood,
University of California Press, 1997

"A History of Macedonia (Hellenistic Culture and Society)"
by Robert Malcolm Errington and Catherine Errington
University of California Press, 1993

"Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic Empire"
by A R Burn
The Macmillan Co, New York., 1948

"The nature of Alexander"
by Mary Renault
Penguin Books Ltd, 1975

"Griechische Geschichte : von den Anfanfen bis in die romische Kaiserzeit."
by Hermann Bengtson
Verlag C. Beck, Munchen, 1965

Until the day you'll kiss our feet for helping you against your Albanians, you are condemned to take stones to your heads. Keep talking and behaving this way. You'll take the second answer veeeery soooon.
Slav dirt.

"Slav dirt"? This comment reminds me of the Nazis who considered the Slavs 'untermenschen', sub-human. Greeks fought the Nazis and today they also fight against such totally stoopid comments.
There is a Greek proverb, "first you see your neighbour and then the sun". It means that you have to get on with your neighbour because he is as important as the sun.

Alfavitas, do you think the same way for FYROMians? They must respect their neighbours? We are important for you as the sun. Maybe as the moon too...

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