HO HO HO...THE TRUTH THAT THERE IS A 'MACEDONIAN' ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE!!!... HO HO HO...
IF THIS WAS TRUTH, WHY NOBODY IN THE WHOLE WORLD RECOGNIZE SUCH EXISTENCE?...
AFTER FRIED HAS TOLD THESE NONSENCES ABOUT 'LANGUAGE', US DEPARTMENT, MADE A STATEMENT TO SAY THAT USA DONT RECOGNISE ANY 'MACEDONIAN' ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE...
FRIED IS NOT REPRESENTING USA, BUT HIS INTERESTS, AND THE MONEY THAT SKOPIA PAYS HIM...
THE NAME ISSUE, IS BECAUSE FIRSTLY THE PROBLEM IS CAUSE GREECE PROVES THAT NO 'MACEDONIAN' ENTHNICITY AND LANGUAGE APART FROM THE GREEK ONE, IS EXISTING OUT OF GREECE, AND THIS IS CLEAR...

STATE DEPARTMENT


USA DONT RECOGNISE ANY 'MACEDONIAN' ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE...

FYROM

The ''Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia'' has no connection with the Historical Macedonia of Alexander and the Greeks, since the term is used only because they live in a close geografical area of the Historical Greek Macedonia.

The present political regime, useless try to confuse their young citizens that their slavs ancestors mixed with indigenus greek macedonians,so to giustify the conflict about the name issue with Greece.

But the statements of different political officers of FYROM confirm the truth.

Indians, Persians, Afgans, Egyptians are more related to Macedonians and Greek culture than Slavs of FYROM.

a. The former President of The FYROM, Kiro Gligorov said: ";We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).

b. Also, Mr Gligorov declared: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia ...; Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).

c. On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great ...; Greece is Macedonia';s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.";

d. On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, ";There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country."

e. Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people.";

So simple!




Goce Delchev, Jane Sandanski, Nikola Karev, Dame Gruev, Pitu Guli,....
GLORIOUS SLAVS



Alexander, Philippos, Aristotelis, Antiohos, Parmenion, Efestion....
GLORIOUS GREEKS

Dear MD

If you want too paly right
you must read all the Newsppapers

Whereas, on April 8, 1993, the United Nations General Assembly admitted as a member the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), under the name the `Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia';


Whereas, on September 13, 1995, Greece and FYROM signed a United Nations-brokered Interim Accord that, among other things, commits them to not `support claims to any part of the territory of the other party or claims for a change of their existing frontiers';


Whereas a pre-eminent goal of the United Nations Interim Accord was to stop FYROM from utilizing, since its admittance to the United Nations in 1993, what the Accord calls `propaganda', including in school textbooks;


Whereas a television report in recent years showed students in a state-run school in FYROM still being taught that parts of Greece, including Greek Macedonia, are rightfully part of FYROM;

I would like to discuss with you about the most bizarre “issue” of all times : the name dispute between Greece and Macedonia. My main question is: HOW LONG THE MEMBER COUNTRIES OF NATO AND ESPECIALLY EUROPEAN UNION WILL TOLERATE THE UNACCEPTABLE GREEK BEHAVIOUR?
How can some countries “keep their eyes closed” about the Macedonian issue? How can they be neutral about this issue? The main principles of NATO and EU are: democracy, free open societies, equal rights for everyone, basic and fundamental right to every nation to choose its name, language, to build its culture, customs and religion etc. and building peace all over the world. Why is that no case with our problem? Because Greece is a member country and we are not? Even the biggest criminals have the right to defence, right to tell their part of the story, but no Macedonia just because Greece is a member.
Did any of all the NATO and EU member countries ever ask them selves: WHY THIS PEOPLE (the Macedonians),NO MATER ALL THE BREAKS PROVIDED FROM GREECE (and some other neighbouring countries)OVER THE YEARS , PERSISTENTLY STAY ON THEIR OPINION AND POINT OF VIEW ABOUT THEIR HISTORY AND NATIONALITY? Well, we are determined not to let no one to take OUR nationality and history! Maybe for someone this sounds silly but the history is directly connected with our nationality and name - Macedonia. Why is Alexander the Great so important in this story? The Greeks persistently say that he is Greek, and the Macedonians (FYROM) are Slavs who came in 600 B.C., and are Bulgarians actually. The Bulgarians are saying that we are Bulgarians and that Macedonians DO NOT exist. That means that Macedonia was Greek, is Greek, and exclusively Greek. I want to stop all that ridiculous lies, once for all. Let me start with the ancient history. How can we prove, is Alexander the Great Greek or not, and are the Macedonians Slavs who came on the Balkan Peninsula in the 600 B.C.? The Greeks can provide you with hundreds of books (written by Greek “historians”) arguing that Alexander’s kingdom was Greek. Is that true? NO!! ABSOLUTELY NOT. We, the Macedonians say: One lie said 100 times, becomes like truth. Lets see how can we prove something that was happening so many years ago? Normally with modern science and technology. We found the most powerful prove known to men kind: GENETIC RESEARCH! It is been performed in the National Center for Biotechnology Information - Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain. It was published in the Science Magazine of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Here some conclusions of the study: HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached:

1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians,

2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum,

3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.

This is proving that the Macedonians clearly are genetically connected with the ancient Macedonians, and that certainly the Macedonians are not Slavs! You can find the full study on www.historyofmacedonia.org together with a lot of other proves.
So, WHY GREECE AND BULGARIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR NATIONALITY AND HISTORY? WHY GREECE AND BULGARIA, SO PERSISTENTLY, ARE DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF ETHNIC MACEDONIAN MINORITY IN THEIR COUNTRIES? In fact Greece is denying existence of ANY minority on their territory!! They say that they have only a small Greek Muslim minority! Clearly there is a lot of minorities, not only Macedonian, but Turkish, Albanian etc. The ethnic Macedonian minority in Greece already won a case against Greece, in Strasburg in 2005 about their rights, and the Turkish minority as well just one week ago. Greece never did nothing about it. WHY GREECE, NEVER ALOUD ENTERING (VISA)TO THE COUNTRY TO THE ETHNIC MACEDONIAN REFUGEES WHO WERE SENT AWAY IN THE CIVIL WAR IN GREECE IN 1949? WHY WERE THEY NEVER ALOUD TO COME AND SEE THEIR NATIVE VILLAGES AND THE MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILIES WHO STAID TO LIVE IN GREECE? WHY THE ETHNIC MACEDONIAN MINORITY IN BULGARIA IS BEING REJECTED TO REGISTER THEIR POLITICAL PARTY?
Is this the way that “democratic” countries in 21 century suppose to behave? Why is EU and NATO tolerating this?
If Greece is our “friendly” neighbour country (as they say), they should not BLOCK us from integrating in NATO and EU, but encourage us and the rest of the countries that only like that we will reach the goal: united Europe, peace and rights for everyone! Instead, the first day when our TV stations brought the news that Macedonia started the negotiations for alleviation of the visa regime with the EU members, Greece threatened that they will block (veto) it! In fact, with their decision to put veto on our NATO invitation, they broke the agreement in ON from 1995.
Greece’s main argue about the “name dispute” is that Macedonia with its constitutional name (Republic of Macedonia) have a territorial claims over Greece’s province called Macedonia. They claim that it suppose to exist some clear distinction between them. Distinction already exist. My countries name is REPUBLIC of Macedonia, not PROVINCE of Macedonia. In Republic of Macedonia live MACEDONIANS, not GREEKS. In fact the geographic region spreads over few different countries: Republic of Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria, and small parts in Albania, Serbia and Kosovo. From all this countries, ONLY Republic of Macedonia is 100% located on territory of the geographic region called Macedonia! How else can we be called? Since we proved that we are Macedonians (not Skopianians-like the Greeks like to call us, not Bulgarians-like the Bulgarians are calling us), since our language is Macedonian language, our culture is Macedonian culture… our country should be called Republic of Macedonia, like any other country: Greece have Greeks, Italy have Italians, Turkey have Turkish, Bulgaria have Bulgarians, France have French, Spain have Spanish, Germany have Germans……. In fact our countries name was Republic of Macedonia long before the independence in 1991. In Yugoslavia we were Socialistic R. of Macedonia, Peoples R. of Macedonia… Greece NEVER had problem with that. In 1989 when started to became clear that the Yugoslavian Federation is about to fall apart, Greece changed the name of their northern province from THESSALY and TRACHEA, to MACEDONIA and TRACHEA!!! In the few years prior and after Yugoslavia’s break up Greece changed the names of the airport in Thessalonica (naming it Macedonia!), and a lot of other names of public institutions in Greece, especially in the province! Two years after that, Republic of Macedonia got its independence. So, you know the rest of the 17 year long “name issue”. It is clear as a whistle! Greece CREATED this “issue”, from selfish, nationalistic, inimical and deconstructive reasons! Why don’t Greece change the name of their province in South Macedonia! We don’t have problem with that. If they want a geographical distinction, so the “tourists don’t get confused”, they can change it! But it is not only the name. They want to continue to lie to the world that “The Macedonians are Greek”. Now in the process of negotiations they reject all the proposals from Mr. Mathew Nimitc in which says that both of the sides have equal right to use the word Macedonia and the noun Macedonian, including the last one just one week prior the NATO summit. They want the right of the word Macedonia and Macedonians EXCLUSIVELY for them!!!! They don’t accept any proposal which aloud us to be called Macedonians! What are we going to be then? We have never been anything else! Republic of Macedonia never clamed any of the territories in Greece or any other country! Macedonia never asked for exclusive right on the word Macedonia. Greece did and steel does! Lets be real here. Are the Greek fears for “territorial claims” from Macedonia real? Certainly NOT! Do you think that a small country with 2000000 citizens is capable of beginning a war against NATO! If Republic of Macedonia became member of NATO, Greece have nothing to be “afraid of”. NATO members do not fight with their allies! Same with EU members. There is no technical borders between EU countries, so no one will be interested in claiming territories who belong to neighbouring countries. Is it not true that the risk of someone else claiming Macedonian territories is much greater than the other way around??
So that is why I will ask the question again: HOW LONG THE MEMBER COUNTRIES OF NATO AND ESPECIALLY EUROPEAN UNION WILL TOLERATE THE UNACCEPTABLE GREEK BEHAVIOUR?
Sincerely
Katerina P.
Republic of MACEDONIA

WELL, I READ ALL THIS COMMENT DONE BY KATERINA, HOPPING TO SEE A SERIOUS OPINION, AND ANOTHER TIME I SAW THE PEOPLE OF FYROM, TO USE THE SAME DISTORTING LIES... PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY ONLY HEAR AND BELIEVE WHAT THE OFICIAL FYROMS GOVERMENT SAYS...
THE DNA RESEARCH DONE BY FYROMS ORDER, HAS BEEN PROOVED UNANIMOUSLY FROM THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT A SERIOUS ONE, HAVEN'T USE PARTIAL DETAILS NOT ACCEPTED SCIENTIFICALLY!!!
TO LET YOY UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN, IN SIMPLE WORLDS IS LIKE SOMEBODY FROM FYROM SAYS THAT HE IS MACEDONIAN BECAUSE HE LIVES HERE (AND DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT HE FEELS TO BE MACEDONIAN, NOT BECAUSE HE IS, BUT CAUSE HE LIVES IN MACEDONIA!)AND NOT THAT HE IS SLAVOMACEDONIAN DIFFERENT FROM GREEKS THAT ARE MACEDONIANS, ALSO IF THEY DON'T LIVE HERE...
THIS IS THEIR TRUTH, HAVING BEING SEEING FROM A PARTIAL POINT, AS THE DNA EXPERIMENT HAVING BEEEING PARTIAL, AS THE SCIENTISTS HAVE TOLD...
SO BACK TO REALITY, CITIZENS OF FYROM,ARE SLAVO- BULGARIAN- ALBANIAN- MACEDONIANS,AND NOT JUST MACEDONIANS, AS GREEKS ARE ALL MACEDONIANS...

Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney intervenes on FYROM issue


US Congresswoman and Representative Carolyn Maloney has intervened in the FYROM issue with a speech in the House of Representatives, saying it was a matter of exceptional importance for her, as the founder and co-president of the Parliamentary Group for Greek Issues. “All the historic and archaeological data prove that the ancient Macedons were Greeks,” she pointed out. Macedonia is a Greek name that has defined the northern region of Greece for over 2,500 years.”

Support for Greek government by AHEPA


In an announcement sent to the US media, the members of AHEPA have expressed their support for the Greek government's veto in Bucharest against the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia's bid to join NATO, until a name dispute between the two countries is resolved. "The members of AHEPA, a leading organisation of over 1.4 million American citizens of Greek origin and philhellenes, back Greece's decision to veto FYROM's bid to join NATO," announced the organisation's president, Ike Gulas. "The government of Skopje has not shown good neighbour relations, pretending that it does not see the promotion of hate propaganda against Greece, citing the example of the defacing of the Greek flag with a swastika in FYROM last week.

YOU WILL NOT BE ANYWHERE THE NEXT FUTURE...
YOUR FALSE FASIST EXISTENCE IS COMING TO AN END...
YOU WILL RUN AS MICES TO BULGARIA AFTER THE REVOLUTION OF THE ALBANIANS AND THE MACEDONIANS (THE REAL GREEK ONES)TOWARDS YOUR SAMEFULL EXISTENCE...
YOUR FALSIFICATION TRY OF THE GREEK HISTORY DOES NOT HAVE ANY INTERNATIONAL SUPPORT, AS FAR AS NOBODY RECOGNIZES A 'MACEDONIAN' ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE OTHER THAN GREEK!
HISTORY IS HERE, AND AVAILABLE TO ALL CIVILLISED WORLD... ARE YOU?!!!
YOUR VERY RECENT PAST NEXT TO HITLER AND NAZIS THE MOMMENT THAT THE GREEKS WERE BLOCKING THE ARMY OF HITLER AND ARRESTING THE WAR, IS WELL KNOWN...
TRY TO HIDE YOURSELVES,ABOMINATION OF THE WORLD RECENT HISTORY...

It is very sad to read some of the fashists Greek responces on this website. It only proves one issue the Greeks need to be brought to their sences...one way or the other, they want war, and this comes from the so called ''Greatest Democracy in the World''.... Give me a break! If the Greek people think that the US or EU cares about Greece and the average Greek citizen than they are idiots....... instead of discussing the issues at hand with Macedonia these idiots are trying to start a war.... they really need to be brought to thier sences.....
D. Collins
UK