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LIVESCORE.COM PLACES MACEDONIA'S NAME BACK



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LiveScore online portal placed Macedonia's constitutional name back on its website Thursday, and apologized if the provisional link "Republika Makedonija" offended the people of Macedonia.

Namely, Makfax news agency posted a letter to Live Score seeking an explanation of LiveScore's abrupt decision to use other name rather than the name it was using since 2002. The news agency wanted to know whether such a move was prompted by pressure.

"If we did offend anybody then we apologize and we have already removed the link "Republika Makedonija" from out main Menu. If this is the case and if this is the way people of your country insist on calling the country's name in your own native language, then we would've never imagined that something you've been fighting for in excess of 15 years is something that offends people of your country," LiveScore said in its reply-letter to Makfax.

"LiveScore was one of the very first and very few to take the view on this matter many years ago when at the time of UN and EU acceptance of using provisional reference FYROM we refused to accept calling people of your country "fyromians" an at the time when FIFA and many others were referring to FYROM, we were calling your country Rep. of Macedonia despite many protests from other users."

The portal said it's saddened that after such an effort has been made to enable coverage of Macedonia's top football league, it's now in a position where it can't even enable Prva Liga on its website.

"This is not just for the reason that we received so many complains from users from your country, we in fact received complains from the users who are on the other side of the dispute - and not just .gr users (Greece), users from .it (Italy) and others do not accept Republika Makedonija either," says the letter.


[Makfax]

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Alexander the Great
MACEDONIA

We know the truth, not only by the reason,
but also by the heart. (Blaise Pascal)


Sun of Vergina

King Philip II





The geographical region of Macedonia lies in the middle of the Balkan Peninsula and is located on the southern region of Bulgaria, and F.Y.R.O.M., far Eastern region of Albania and it’s largest section on Northern Greece. The borders as they stand today have been formulated through war (Balkan and WWI) and numerous treaties that formed the current status quo.

Ancient Macedonia was the home land of King Philip II and Alexander the Great among other great Macedonians, and was located in the general area and around Pela and Vergina bordered by the kingdom of Epirus to the west and the region of Thrace to the east.

The Kingdom of Ancient Macedonia was structured in a similar manner as a typical Hellenic (Greek) City State (although Macedonia was larger in size than a typical Hellenic City State), with a Monarchical central point of power, politically and economically independent from the rest of the Hellenic City States as was the trend at the time. Due to the geographical character of Greece and the need for governmental organization, security and stable economy, such Hellenic City States were formed throughout the Hellenic lands and territories. Such City States were those of Athens, Sparta, Corinth ect.

Ethnically the population of ancient Macedonia consisted of Hellenes from one or more of the 230+ Hellenic tribes, Clans and families of the Hellenic Ethnos that spoke Hellenic (with some 200 dialectic variations, with the Attician (Athenian) variation being most common primarily due to the Athenian status in the Arts and Sciences). The Macedonian dialect was an Aeolic dialect of the Western Hellenic language group and linguistically the difference between Macedonian and Attician was similar to those found in modern day Northern and Southern Italian or Low and High German ect.

The modern day Macedonian region is troubled by Geographical, linguistic and demographical controversy which manifests in International Politics.

After the end of WWII in 1945, the Albanian/Slavs nationalists of the Vardar Banovina region invented the “Great Macedonia” policy for political/social as well as expansionistic reasons, and the Fallacy of the “Ethnic Macedonian” was born along with the ludicrous ideology of the “National awakening of the ethnic Macedonians”.

While Josip Broz Tito ruled Yugoslavia (with an iron fist) the idea of the “Ethnic Macedonian” was nurtured by the Communist dictatorship of Yugoslavia as a method of keeping the region populations in focus with issues other than the internal political/social problems. Tito in essence used the nationalistic propaganda of the “National awakening“ to create and maintain an “external” enemy in order to divert the populous energies from resisting his regime to other less harmful (for him) political/social agendas.

Following the breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, the newly autonomous Vardar Banovina region which is today known as the F.Y.R.O.M. (Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia) found it necessary to seek a new name which would signify its disassociation from the previous Federal Yugoslavia as well as to unite the diverse populations (Albanians, Slavs, Bulgarians, even ethnic Greeks). Hence the “Republic of Macedonia” controversy was created. The vacuum of ethnic identity created by the breakup resurfaced the so called “National awakening of the ethnic Macedonians” ideology which in fact now threatens the regional stability by attacking the territorial integrity of it’s regional neighbors (Greece, Bulgaria and Albania).

In 1992 the Vardar Banovina government applied for recognition to various international organizations under the name of “Republic of Macedonia”.

At this point the Greek government presented a valid case regarding the name, constitution, and ethnic symbols (flag) of the new Vardar Banovina republic, asking for the exclusion of the word Macedonia from the name as well as the exclusion of the chosen ethnic symbols both due to their ethnic suggestions. Through negotiations, the flag issue was resolved by a change of the flag crest used, the name was temporarily changed to the F.Y.R.O.M. and it was made clear that in order for the F.Y.R.O.M. to participate in such organizations as EU or even NATO (recently) a final resolution to the name issue is to be reached, and a definite ban to all territorial claims towards a neighboring Community state, hostile propaganda and the use of a denomination that implies territorial claims be adopted by the constitution of the F.Y.R.O.M.

The F.Y.R.O.M. advertises their compliance to International law, and to the prerequisites for membership to the international organizations. However they act aggressively towards their region neighbors by Incorporating hate lessons in their schooling system by presenting their neighbors as the "monsters who keep Macedonians enslaved", they publish maps where the fictitious "Ethnic Macedonia" is well within the Greek, Bulgarian, and Albania borders, as well as sponsor misinformation and propaganda agents camouflaged as cultural "United Macedonian" organizations worldwide. These organizations are notorious for their level of the propaganda and misinformation, one such organization is the United Macedonians of Canada, who have gone as far as to publish the photograph of the "white tower" of Thessaloniki on their web page along with their nationalist propaganda of the "United Macedonia".

Since the beginning of the “Republic of Macedonia” issue in the 1990s, the governments of F.Y.R.O.M. as well as the different pressure groups have been fabricating fictional arguments in order to justify the use of the name of Macedonia, such as:

They say: The inhabitants of F.Y.R.O.M. are ethnic Macedonians, direct descendants of, or related to the ancient Macedonians.
The Truth is: The inhabitants of F.Y.R.O.M. are primarily Albanians, Bulgarians and Slavs and have nothing in common with the ancient Macedonians.

They say: The inhabitants of F.Y.R.O.M. speak what was once known as the ancient Macedonian language.
The Truth is:What is spoken in the Vardar Banovina region today is a Slavic variation of Bulgarian. This language evolved to what it is today after two Greek brothers, missionaries of Christianity from Thessaloniki; Cyril and Methodius (who later were named saints); brought Christianity to the Slavs in about 855, and introduced the Glagolic (First version of Cyrillic) alphabet in order to be able to translate (the Slavs were lacking a form of written language) Greek Christian text into Slavonic (Old Bulgarian).

They say: Ancient Macedonians were not Hellenes because they used to war and destroy Hellenic cities.
The Truth is: Due to the geographical character of Greece and the lack of physical continuation between the City States, often political and/or financial friction was created between the City States resulting to skirmishes (A very common way of resolving issues at the time) and is far from being proof of Ethnic Identity. However proof of the Hellenic ethnic identity shared by the City States (inclusive of Macedonia) is the fact that all used to unite when in peril, into one military force to fight off invaders (such as the Persians) and drive them outside their lands and territories.

The list of fictitious arguments is endless... On the lighter side of this controversy, it is really humorous to see that even the Vardar Banovina nationalists don’t believe their “Macedonian” background claims and they manage to debunk their own arguments to the rest of the world amusement:

1)The former President of The F.Y.R.O.M., Kiro Gligorov said: “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century … we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians” (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).

2)The former President of The F.Y.R.O.M., Kiro Gligorov declared: ”We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That’s who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century” (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).

3)On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the F.Y.R.O.M. to the USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: “We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great … Greece is Macedonia’s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz.” In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of the F.Y.R.O.M., Ambassador Achevska stated that “we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.”

4)On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM’S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, “We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.” He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country.”

5)The Foreign Minister of the F.Y.R.O.M., Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they “belong to the same Slav people.”

Concluding, it is evident that the population of the Vardar Banovina region is in desperate need of a name that reflects their real ethnic identity; however this identity cannot and should not be borrowed, stolen or extorted from neighboring ethnic groups.

The name of Macedonia is an Ethnic Symbol, a symbol that is inherited based on blood line, an inheritance that goes back to the original Macedonian Hellenes, an inheritance that cannot be duplicated, emulated, or acquired through thievery, political pressure, or historical forgery.

Protect Macedonia !

Protect History !

Resist Political pressure !

Ignore threats from those who only wish to profit at any cost !

Protect Macedonia today because tomorrow it may be your country’s turn to face a similar political/social controversy !

HANDS OFF MACEDONIA, The only Macedonian Ethnos is Greek, history cannot be changed or counterfeited!

Livescore.com doesn't consider the name 'republica makedonija' existing!!!
In fact Skopia is the only country that doesn't appear here!!!

Christian turkish settlers transplanted from Anatolia to Macedonia after 1913 cannot be Macedonians, as they had nothing to do with Macedonia before this time, EVER!.

Macedonia for the Macedonians. Christian turkey for the christian turks.

LET'S START A SERIOUS AND HONEST DIALOGUE!!!
A Slavonic language, as Officials confirm, but intentionally are calling 'macedonian' instead of 'slavomacedonian', in order to confuse it with the macedonian idiom that was and is Greek!
The Country's aggressive nationalism, is creating serious troubles in the balkan area, with the support of the administration Bush (for they want to create a protectoratum in order to control the balkan area!).
It would be so clear to find an honest compromise with Greece, admiting oppenly the 'slavomacedonian' name for the people that grew up and lived in the historical region of Macedonia, as identity - language and a name as 'Upper Macedonia'' for the state, so to include also the albanians - bulgari - serbs - turks - greeks - roma ect. and respect the Greek historical name and the greek macedonians.
Playing the game of the Bush administration could gain a worst future for the country and permit fascism and ultranationalist elements to control it.
A serious and honnest compromise, respecting the history of Greece and of the Balkans would be; 'UPPERMACEDONIA' with a SLAVOMACEDONIAN IDENTITY and LANGUAGE!
This would be the identity of the slavic tribes that came in the region after the 5th century and in the 20th century wants to be called a slavic macedonian nation.
Skopia and Greece could proceed faster in a friendly cooperation excluding countries that the only thing they are looking is to CONTROL!

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