The Birth of a Clone State
THE NATIONAL HERALD, OCTOBER 11, 2008

Part II
The term clone is derived from κλών (klon), the Greek word for twig or branch, referring to the process whereby a new plant can be created from a twig.

According to Herodotus’ The Histories, during the 8th century B.C. the Argeads (Αργεάδαι) migrated north from the Greek city of Argos in Peloponnesus to the region we now know as Macedonia. In addition, Thucydides in the History of the Peloponnesian War concurs that Perdiccas I was the first monarch of the Argead dynasty, better known as the ancient kingdom of Macedonia.

The name Macedonia (Μακεδονία) is rooted in Homeric Greek. A related form of the word first appears in the Odyssey, VII 106: ‘οιά τε φύλλα μακεδνης αιγείροιο’ whereas ‘μακεδνης’ in the form of an adjective means very high or tall, in this context referring to the size in height of a poplar tree. The first Macedonians spoke a proto-Hellenic dialect similar to that of Homer. They eventually adopted the Attic Greek dialect as did the other Greek city-states and finally the Koine Greek dialect during the Hellenistic period.

It is not the primary objective of this writer to argue whether the ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe or not. Any serious historian will validate their Hellenic origin with scores of references as well as Greek inscriptions on countless ancient artifacts unearthed from all over the region. I would like to note, however, one important date in ancient history. In 168 B.C. the last Macedonian king, Perseus, surrendered to the Romans after his decisive defeat at the Battle of Pydna and thus Macedonia came under Roman rule.

For over 2000 years thereafter, there has not been even one documented reference claiming an ethnic Macedonian identity. During 2046 years of recorded history, i.e. from 168 B.C. up until 1878 A.D., there is no evidence of the existence of a Macedonian ethnic consciousness. There is no evidence of the existence of a Macedonian language. There is no evidence of the existence of a Macedonian alphabet. There is no evidence of the existence of a Macedonian Church. These indisputable facts raise a crucial question to FYROM’s fabricators of history. But first, let’s go over two significant events which transpired in the Balkan peninsula, one in 1870 and the other in 1878.

In the 19th century the entire region of Macedonia was still under Ottoman occupation. Numerous demographic studies had been conducted in the vilayets of Monastir and Thessaloniki as late as the 19th century by both Ottoman authorities and European institutions, covering the entire Macedonian region and beyond. Not even one of these ethnic surveys references the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity.

Through the Firman (decree) of 1870, Sultan Abdulaziz allowed the Bulgarian Exarchate to separate from the ecclesiastical authority of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. From a Turkish point of view, the decree was designed to divide the Christian populations of the decaying Ottoman Empire and define ethnicity in the Balkans by church affiliation. From a much more well-conceived Bulgarian perspective, the new autocephalous status of the Church would encourage Bulgarian nationalism. But there was another method to the madness. Russian influence had also encouraged the Bulgarian schism. Count Nikolai Pavlovich Ignatiev, Russian ambassador to the Ottoman Sublime Porte, upon orders from Tsar Alexander II was promoting a Pan-Slavic movement in the Balkans. This irredentist plan was heavily concentrated in and around the Macedonian region encompassing all the Slav elements with protagonists the Bulgarians and to a lesser extent the Serbs.

The Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878 ended with the Treaty of San Stefano signed on March 3, 1878. Russian forces had halted their advance at San Stefano (now Yesilkoy), a village on the Sea of Marmara seven miles west of Constantinople. The Pan-Slavist Ignatiev was a signatory of the Treaty. The Treaty of San Stefano forced Turkey to cede most of the region of Macedonia to Bulgaria and created a ‘Greater Bulgaria,’ a Bulgaria spanning from the Romanian border to the north all the way to the foothills of Mt. Olympus to the south, including the port city of Kavala to the east. This allowed Russia to have a Slav satellite in the Balkans where her influence could extend down to the Aegean Sea.

The European Great Powers, fearing this increased Russian influence in southeastern Europe and a possible threat to the trade congested Bosporus and Dardanelles Straits, objected to the terms of the Treaty. Four months following San Stefano, after long negotiations in Berlin mediated by Chancellor Otto von Bismarck of Germany and de facto mediator Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of Great Britain, the Treaty of Berlin revised the terms, giving the Macedonian region back to the Ottomans and allowing for a smaller Bulgaria. One significant side note here: Shortly before Berlin, a secret agreement to be disclosed later as the Cyprus Convention was reached between the British and Ottomans whereby control of Cyprus was granted to Great Britain in exchange for their support of the Ottomans in Berlin.

In the years immediately following the Treaty of Berlin an ideological concept was developed in the context of Bulgarian initiatives to regain the region of Macedonia. The Serbs, headed by politician Stojan Novakovic, who also coveted Macedonian real estate with views of the Aegean Archipelago, employed the same ideology as a means to counteract the Bulgarian influence in Macedonia, thereby promoting Serbian interests in the region. Alas, the conception of Macedonism, an ideology within the irredentist framework of Pan-Slavism.

Macedonism is structured on aggressive Slavic fundamentalism with irredentist political views based upon the notion of unbroken racial continuity between the self-proclaimed ethnic Macedonians of today and the ancient Macedonians.

Which leads to my question to FYROM’s fabricators of history: During 2046 years of recorded history, i.e. from 168 B.C. up until 1878 A.D., there is no documented evidence of the existence of a Macedonian ethnic identity. You base your argument on illusions of ancient Macedonian grandeur in your bloodlines. Can you therefore justify your prolonged 2,000-plus years state of hibernation whereby not one single document exists referencing a Macedonian ethnic consciousness?

Perhaps these self-proclaimed ethnic Macedonians living in FYROM and the Diaspora, along with FYROM’s current political leadership and their lobbyists in Washington, should consult FYROM’s previous leaders and diplomats who realize that usurpation of history is a tactic destined to fail:

“We are Slavs, who came to the region in the sixth century. We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.”
-Kiro Gligorov, first President of FYROM, 1992,

“We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about the identity of the people of our country.”
-Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM's Ambassador to Canada, 1999,

and the crème de la crème of testimonials:

“The idea that Alexander the Great belongs to us was at the mind of some outsider groups only. These groups were insignificant in the first years of our independence. But the big problem is that the old Balkan nations have been learned to legitimate themselves through their history. In the Balkans to be recognized as a nation you need to have history of 2,000 to 3,000 years old. Since you (Greece) forced us to invent a history, we did invent it.”
-Denko Maleski, Foreign Minister of FYROM from 1991 to 1993.

In my next segment I will dissect the 19th century Bulgarian terrorist organization VMRO, inspiration to FYROM’s ruling political party VMRO-DPMNE headed by Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski.

Hey look! It's my good friend gialturd spewing propaganda again. The christian turk think tank must be working overtime to keep up with their lies.

What i love is when you quote politicians for historic quotes, as if they are qualified in historic and archaeological studies. Come on christian settler, you can do better than that!

I ask you again, please provide us with evidence of this Macedonian dialect, and how similar/different it is to the language of athenians. And don't forget to send it to the Universities of the world either.

And just a little bit of advice: Try not to copy and paste so much. It makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about, and you are just towing someone elses line. Then again, you don't really know what you're talking about anyway. Keep the posts coming, they are hilarious!

Поздрав to my good friend gialturd,
From your Macedonian friend.

I don't take the word of politicians to heart, be it Macedonian or christian turkish. But you athenians do, because it suits your lightweight arguments and racist agenda.

As i've mentioned in other posts: instead of trying to tell us Macedonians about our own history, why don't you research your own background and try to prove to yourself that your ancestors weren't transplanted from anatolia to Macedonia. You see, settlers cannot be Macedonians, as they have no ties to the land prior to being transplanted.

Also, i am waiting on your research regarding the Macedonian dialect you claim.

Golem pozdrav gailturd. I look forward to your wacky posts! They're amusing.

Your Macedonian friend

From the http://ypexdoras.blogspot.com

Außenministerium von Dora Bakoyanni



Läuft am 31. Oktober 2008 der Stichtag für die Aussage über Immobilien im Kataster (Ktimatologio) in Griechenland ab.
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Ich bin, dass große Mobilität für Aussage über Immobilien im Kataster (Ktimatologio) der Bewohner von Thesprotia existiert, ehemalige Bewohner von Tsamouriá in Thesprotia, ehemalige Chams, heutige Chamsbewohner, Chams von Australien, andere neugierige, ehemalige Begünstigte der Vermögen informiert worden, dessen durch das Gesetz unter Absonderung („meseggyisi ") gesetzt worden sind und nicht ihnen die Ermächtigung von Management, weil sie „vom griechischen Ursprung“ sind, Bürger der alten jugoslawischen Republic- Of Macedoniaehemaligen Bewohner von Nordgriechenland, Parteigänger „des Regenbogens“, ehemalige Bewohner von Mazedonien gegeben worden sind und in Kanada wirklich liegen, das Begünstigte von Immobilien sogar in der Mitte sind von Athen.
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Ich fragte einen Rechtsanwaltfreund von mir „, eine was für Scheiße diese Leute wünschen vom Kataster (Ktimatologio) tun“. Er antwortete: „Sie haben alles verloren und, was wichtiger ist, haben sie die zugelassenen Stichtage verloren, um auf das Gericht für die Nichtigkeitserklärung der Absonderung zuzutreffen, die in ihren Zuständen existiert. Jetzt geben sie eine Erklärung im Kataster auf ihren Immobilien ab, die sie behaupten. Die Katasterbeamten weisen sicher die Aussage zurück, wie „unbegründet“, und diese „ausdrückliche oder stillschweigende Ablehnung“ - „durchsetzbares acte“ „acte executoire“ „εκτελεστή διοικητική πράξη“ - ist die einzigen Mittel, einen neuen Stichtag von 60 Tagen zu beginnen (wenige Leute lösen ihn wieder, als in der Vergangenheit) - das für sie öffnet die Türen für Anwendungen der Nichtigkeitserklärung und (nach internen zugelassenen Erholungsorten der Abführung) für das Europäische Gerichtshof für Menschenrechte von Straßburg“.
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Ich lachte. „Du bist lustige, manchmal“, den ich sagte.
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Ετικέτες ΕΥΡΩΠΑΪΚΟ ΔΙΚΑΣΤΗΡΙΟ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΙΝΩΝ ΔΙΚΑΙΩΜΑΤΩΝ, ΠΕΡΙΟΥΣΙΕΣ ΥΠΟ ΜΕΣΕΓΓΥΗΣΗ, ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ, ΤΣΑΜΗΔΕΣ, ΤΣΑΜΟΥΡΙΑ
O Ministerio de Relacoes exteriois de Dora Bakoyanni



Em 31 outubro 2008 expira o fim do prazo para a indicação de bens imobiliários no cadastro (Ktimatologio) em Grecia.

Eu fui informado que existe mobilidade grande para a indicação de bens imobiliários no cadastro (Ktimatologio) dos residentes de Thesprotia, de residentes anteriores de Tsamouriá em Thesprotia, de homens poderosos anteriores, de residentes de hoje dos homens poderosos, de homens poderosos de Austrália, de outros beneficiários curiosos, anteriores das fortunas de que foram põr pela lei sob o sequestration (“meseggyisi ") e não dados a elas a autorização da gerência porque são “da origem grega”, os cidadãos dos residentes anteriores jugoslavos antigos de Republic Of Macedonia de Greece do norte, partidários “do arco-íris”, residentes anteriores de Macedónia e realmente da residência em Canadá que é beneficiários de bens imobiliários mesmo no centro de Atenas.
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Eu perguntei a um amigo meu do advogado “que merda fazem estes povos que querem do cadastro (Ktimatologio)”.
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Respondeu: “Perderam tudo e, o que é mais importante, perderam os fins do prazo legais para aplicar-se à corte para o nullification do sequestracao que existe em suas propriedades. Agora fazem uma indicação no cadastro em seus bens imobiliários que reivindicam. Os oficiais do cadastro rejeitarão certamente a indicação como “infundada”, e esta “rejeção” explícita ou tácito - “acte executório” do “executoire” “εκτελεστή διοικητική πράξη” acte - será os únicos meios começar um fim do prazo novo de 60 dias (poucos povos o afrouxarão outra vez, como no perto) - que isso para ele abrirá as portas para aplicações do nullification e (após recursos legais internos da exaustão) para o Tribunal Europeu de Direitos Humanos de Strasbourg”.
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Eu ri. “Que engraçado você é, às vezes”lhe eu disse.
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Ετικέτες BENS IMOBILIARIOS SEQUESTRATOS, CHAMERIA, GRECIA, MACEDONIA, SKOPJE, TRIBUNAL EUROPEO DE DIREITOS HUMANOS
El Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores de Dora Bakoyanni


Expira el 31 de octubre de 2008 el plazo para la declaración de propiedades inmobiliarias en el cadastro (Ktimatologio) en Grecia.
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Me han informado que existe la movilidad grande para la declaración de propiedades inmobiliarias en el cadastro (Ktimatologio) de residentes de Thesprotia, los residentes anteriores de Tsamouriá en Thesprotia, los Chams anteriores, los residentes de hoy de los Chams, los Chams de Australia, otros beneficiarios curiosos, anteriores de las fortunas de las cuales han sido puestos por la ley bajo secuestro (“meseggyisi ") y no dados ellas la autorización de la gerencia porque están “del origen griego”, los ciudadanos de los residentes anteriores yugoslavos antiguos de ex Republica de Macedonia de Grecia norteña, partidarios “del arco iris”, los residentes anteriores de Macedonia y realmente residencia en Canadá que es beneficiarios de propiedades inmobiliarias incluso en el centro de Atenas.
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Pregunté a amigo mío del abogado una “qué mierda hace a esta gente que quiere del catastro (Ktimatologio)”.
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Él contestó: “Han perdido todo y, cuál es más importante, él ha perdido los plazos legales para aplicarse a la corte para la anualación del secuestro que existía en sus estados. Ahora él hace una declaración en el catastro en sus propiedades inmobiliarias que demande. Los funcionarios del catastro rechazarán seguramente la declaración como “infundada”, y este “rechazamiento” explícito o tácito - “acto ejecutorio” “executoire” “εκτελεστή διοικητική πράξη” del acte - será los únicos medios de comenzar un nuevo plazo de 60 días (pocas personas lo soltarán otra vez, como en el pasado) - que eso para él abrirá las puertas para los usos de la anualación y (después de expiraciion de meios legales internos existentes) para el Tribunal Europeo de Derechos Humanos de Estrasburgo”.
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Reí. “Qué divertido usted es, a veces” le dijiste.
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Ετικέτες BENS SEQUESTRATOS, CADASTRO, CHAMERIA, CHAMI, MACEDONIA, TRIBUNAN EUROPEO DE DERECHOS HUMANOS
Дора Bakoyannis' Министерство Иностранных Дел



31-ого октября 2008 теряет силу краиний срок для заявления недвижимостей в Cadastre (Ktimatologio) в Греция.
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Я информирован который существует большая удобоподвижность для заявления недвижимостей в Cadastre (Ktimatologio) резидентов Thesprotia, бывших резидентов Tsamouriá в Thesprotia, бывших Chams, сегодняшних резидентов Chams, Chams Австралия, других любознательних, бывших бенефициантов удачей которых положите законом под секвестрацией («meseggyisi ") и бедным человек дано к им утверждение управления потому что они «греческого начала», граждан стародедовских югославских резидентов Republic Of Macedonia бывших северного Греция, партизан «радуги», бывших резидентов Македония и фактически пребывать в Канада которые бенефицианты недвижимостей даже в центре Афиныы.
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Я спросил мому друг законоведа «чему дерьмо делает эти людей хочет от Cadastre (Ktimatologio)». Он ответил: «Они теряли все и, что важне, они потеряли законные краиние сроки для того чтобы примениться к суду для нуллификации секвестрации существуя в их имуществе. Теперь они делают заявление в Cadastre на их недвижимостях которые они требуют. Должностные лица cadastre уверенно излучат заявление как «необоснованно», и этот «сброс» точный или подразумеваемый - «осуществимое acte» «executoire» «εκτελεστή διοικητική πράξη» acte - будет единственными серединами начать новый краиний срок 60 дней (немногие люди будут освобождать его снова, как в в прошлом) - то для их раскроет двери для применений нуллификации и (после курортов высасывания внутренних законных) для Европейского суда по правам человека Страсбург».
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Я смеялся над. «Какое смешное вы, иногда» он я сказал.
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Ετικέτες CADASTRE, CORTE EUROPEA DEI DIREITI HUMANI, KTIMATOLOGIO, MACEDONIA, MACEDONIANS, MESSEGYISI, SEQUESTRAZIONE DEI BENI
Il Ministerio dei Relazioni Exteriori de Dora Bakoyannis



Il 31 ottobre 2008 espira la scadenza per la dichiarazione dei beni immobili nel cadastro (Ktimatologio) in Grecia.
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Sono stato informato che esiste una grande mobilità per la dichiarazione dei beni immobili nel cadastro (Ktimatologio) dei residenti di Thesprotia, di ex residenti di Tsamouriá in Thesprotia, di ex Chams, di odierni residenti dei Chams, dei Chams dell'Australia, di altri beneficiari curiosi e ex delle fortune di che sono stati messi dalla legge nell'ambito del sequestro (“meseggyisi ") e non sono stati dati loro l'autorizzazione dell'amministrazione perché sono “dell'origine greca„, cittadini di ex residenti iugoslavi antichi del Republic Of Macedonia della Grecia del Nord, partigiani “dell'arcobaleno„, ex residenti della Macedonia e realmente di risedere nel Canada che è beneficiari dei beni immobili anche nel centro di Atene.
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Ho chiesto ad un amico mio avvocato “ché merda fa questa gente que vuole dal catasto (Ktimatologio)„.
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Ha risposto a: “Hanno perso tutto e, che cosa è più importante, hanno perso le scadenze legali per applicarsi alla corte per l'annullamento del sequestro che esiste nelle loro proprietà. Ora rilasciano una dichiarazione nel catasto sui loro beni immobili che reclamano. I funzionari del catasto certamente rifiuteranno la dichiarazione come “non fondata„ e questo “rifiuto„ esplicito o tacito - “acta executabile„ “executoire„ “εκτελεστή διοικητική πράξη„ del acte - sarà gli unici mezzi per iniziare una nuova scadenza dei 60 giorni (poca gente la slaccerà ancora, come nel passato) - che quello per loro aprirà i portelli per le applicazioni di annullamento e (dopo que i ricorsi legali interni legali seano esauriti) per la Corte Europea dei Diritti Umani di Strasburgo„.
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Ho riso. “Che divertente siete, a volte„ lui che ho detto. Chameria (albanese: Çamëria, Τσαμουριά greco Tsamouriá) è il nome utilizzato da Albanians per la parte della regione litoranea di Epirus in Albania del sud ed in Grecia nordoccidentale. La maggior parte di che cosa è denominato Çamëria è diviso fra la prefettura greca di Thesprotia e la parte del sud di Albania' distretto di s Sarandë. Il nome è di etimologia incerta, ma può derivare dal nome del greco antico del fiume di Thyamis, o dalla tribù antica di Thraco-Illyrian di Sameis. [1] Chameria è stato limitato tradizionalmente al river' valle di s.
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Ετικέτες CADASTRO, CHAMERIA, CHAMI, CHAMS, CORTE EUROPEA DEI DIREITI HUMANI, KTIMATOLOGIO, MACEDONIA, TSAMOURIA
DORA BAKOYANNIS' MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS



On 31 October 2008 expires the deadline for the statement of real estates in the Cadastre (Ktimatologio) in Greece.
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I have been informed that exists big mobility for statement of real estates in the Cadastre (Ktimatologio) of residents of Thesprotia, former residents of Tsamouriá in Thesprotia, former Chams, today’s Chams residents, Chams of Australia, other curious, former beneficiaries of fortunes that have been put by the law under sequestration (“meseggyisi”) and have not been given to them the authorisation of management of because they are of “Greek origin”, Citizens of the ancient Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia former residents of Northern Greece, partisans “of Rainbow”, former residents of Macedonia and actually residing in Canada who are beneficiaries of real estates even in the centre of Athens.
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I asked a lawyer friend of mine “what a shit do these people want from the Cadastre (Ktimatologio)”. He answered: “They have lost everything and, what is more important, they have lost the legal deadlines to apply to the Court for the nullification of the sequestration existing in their estates. Now they make a statement in the Cadastre on their real estates that they claim. The cadastre officials will surely reject the statement as “unfounded”, and this “rejection” explicit or tacit - “enforceable acte” “acte executoire” “εκτελεστή διοικητική πράξη” - will be the only means to start a new deadline of 60 days (few people will loose it again, as in the past) - that for them will open the doors for applications of nullification and (after exhaustion internal legal resorts) for the European Court of Human Rights of Strasbourg”.
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I laughed. “How funny you are, sometimes” him I said.
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Chameria (Albanian: Çamëria, Greek Τσαμουριά Tsamouriá) is the name used by Albanians for part of the coastal region of Epirus in southern Albania and northwestern Greece. Most of what is called Çamëria is divided between the Greek prefecture of Thesprotia and the southern part of Albania's Sarandë District. The name is of uncertain etymology, but may derive from the ancient Greek name of the Thyamis river, or from the ancient Thraco-Illyrian tribe of Sameis.[1] Chameria traditionally was limited to the river's valley.
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Ετικέτες CADASTRE, CHAMERIA, CHAMS, GREECE, MACEDONIA, MACEDONIANS, MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS, SKOPJE, TSAMOURIA
Παρασκευή, 26 Σεπτέμβριος 2008
ΡΩΤΗΣΤΕ ΤΗ ΝΤΟΡΑ - Η ΝΤΟΡΑ ΣΑΣ ΑΠΑΝΤΑ ΠΑΝΤΑ





Πατήστε το «Ρωτήστε τη Ντόρα – Η Ντόρα σας απαντά». Ανοίγει ένα τετράγωνο και πετάτε ό,τι θέλετε μέσα. Αν και δεν αναφέρεται τίποτα σχετικά, για λόγους τακτ είναι σωστό να τηρείται κάποια σειρά. Π.χ. 8,00-12,00 «αφελείς ερωτήσεις», 12,00-18,00-Εξωτερική Πολιτική, 18,00-20,00 περί δελφίνων, 20,00-24,00 «Θεσμική εποπτεία του Αγίου Όρους από το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών» και 24,00-08,00 «επισκέψεις hackers στην κυρία Υπουργό».
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Η Υπουργός Εξωτερικών είναι καλή στα επικοινωνιακά τεχνάσματα και καλοδέχεται (το επιτελείο της, όχι η ίδια) τα μηνύματά σας.
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Επομένως θα σας συμβούλευα να χρησιμοποιήσετε το «Ρωτήστε τη Ντόρα – Η Ντόρα σας απαντά» σαν ένα τρόπο να αυξήσετε την αναγνωσιμότητα του blog σας. Ένα κλειδί για να ανεβείτε πάνω πάνω στην κατάταξη των μηχανών αναζήτησης και τα blogs σας ή οι ιστοσελίδες σας να μπουν πάνω-πάνω στην κατάταξη των μηχανών αναζήτησης (Google, Altavista κλπ) με την πληκτρολόγηση ορισμένων λέξεων κλειδιών, είναι να ρίχνετε «άγκυρες» μέσω υπερδεσμών σε ιστοσελίδες που ανοίγονται πολύ συχνά.
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Συνδεθείτε λοιπόν συχνά με τη Ντόρα Μπακογιάννη και στείλτε της μερικά μηνύματα. Αν έχετε την έμμονη ιδέα ότι δεν πρόκειται να ασχοληθεί με το μήνυμά σας, φορτώστε από το project Gutemberg ολόκληρα online τα βιβλία «Όσα παίρνει ο άνεμος» και «Δον Κιχώτης», ανακατεμένα με διακηρύξεις και διεκδικήσεις των οπαδών του «Ουράνιου Τόξου» (για να γίνει πιο «ενδιαφέρουσα» η ανάγνωση). Τα πετάτε μέσα στο «Ρωτήστε τη Ντόρα – Η Ντόρα σας απαντά» και αν τύχει και περάσετε τα μεσάνυχτα από το κτίριο Βασιλίσσης Σοφίας και Ακαδημίας 1, θα δείτε ότι θα μείνουν φωτισμένα όλα τα δωμάτια του α’ ορόφου. Μάλλον τυχαίο γεγονός θα είναι. Ξαναπροσπαθήστε το, για να βεβαιωθείτε ότι δεν είναι ένα τυχαίο γεγονός. Πάντως σωστό είναι να μην απασχολείτε το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών που είναι δημόσια υπηρεσία ύψιστης εθνικής ευθύνης. Απασχοληθείτε με το «Ρωτήστε τη Ντόρα – Η Ντόρα σας απαντά», αφού μάλλον απίθανο θα είναι να απασχολεί υπηρεσίες του Υπουργείου για να διαβάζει τα μηνύματά σας.
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Ασφαλώς αν σας πει κάποιος ότι το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών έχει αρμοδιότητα επί του Αγίου Όρους (τηλ. 23770-23230 ή 23314) και ιδιαίτερα με τη Μονή Βατοπεδίου ή Βατοπαιδίου, θα νομίσετε ότι σας κάνει πλάκα. Όμως διαβάζω «Το Άγιο Όρος αποτελεί αυτοδιοίκητο τμήμα του Ελληνικού κράτους, που υπάγεται πολιτικά στο Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών». Δεν σημαίνει τίποτα κακό από αυτά που φαντάζεστε, απλά τώρα που οι δικαστικοί προσπαθούν να ανοίξουν τους λογαριασμούς των μοναχών, που ζουν από καθεστώς αυτονομίας κατοχυρωμένο από διεθνείς συνθήκες, προβλέπω ότι η Υπουργός Εξωτερικών θα θερίσει θύελλες. Πάλι, επαναλαμβάνω, μην απασχολείτε με τα μηνύματά σας το Υπουργείο, πατήστε το σωστό κουμπί που σας είπα προηγουμένως.
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Τι έχετε πετύχει με τόσες επισκέψεις στο «Ρωτήστε τη Ντόρα – Η Ντόρα σας απαντά»; Ήδη έχετε απογειωθεί. Ξεπεράσατε σε αναγνωσιμότητα ήδη πολλά blogs, ακόμα και καλά δομημένες ιστοσελίδες. Πιάσατε το νόημα της επιστήμης «Search Engine Optimization».
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Ελάτε τώρα να ανεβάσετε περισσότερο ψηλά το blog σας χρησιμοποιώντας ένα Δημόσιο Οργανισμό που δέχεται e-mails πολιτών. Όχι επαναλαμβάνω, το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών (αφήστε το ήσυχο στην αποστολή του), άλλο. Αν δεν βρείτε κανένα δοκιμάστε το «Ρωτήστε τη Ντόρα – Η Ντόρα σας απαντά».
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Φτιάξτε το email σας να έχει την εξής υπογραφή «H IP μου αποτελεί προσωπικό δεδομένο σύμφωνα με την παρ. 3 του άρθρου 2 του Ν.3471/2006» (θυμάστε τότε με τη Vodafone και τις υποκλοπές του 2006. Στον πανικό ψηφίστηκε αυτός ο νόμος που πιάνει και το Ιντερνετ). «..Παρακαλώ μόλις λάβετε το μήνυμά μου γνωρίστε μου α) αν έχετε λάβει άδεια διαχείρισης προσωπικών δεδομένων από την Αρχή Δεδομένων Προσωπικού Χαρακτήρα και β) τι προτίθεστε να κάνετε με την IP μου». Αφού αποθηκεύσετε την υπογραφή αυτή, στείλτε στο Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών ένα e-mail ρωτώντας π.χ. ποιος είναι ο αρμόδιος άμισθος πρόξενος για την περιοχή της Ζανζιβάρης;
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Το ερώτημά σας θα καταχωρηθεί στις βάσεις δεδομένων της Δημόσιας Αρχής – χωρίς να μπορεί να αφαιρεθεί η ενοχλητική «ηλεκτρονική υπογραφή» - και θα πυροδοτήσει μια διαμάχη όπως έχει συμβεί π.χ. ανάμεσα σε δύο Διευθύνσεις του Υπουργείου Εξωτερικών που απαρτίζονται από ειδικούς της πληροφορικής διαφόρων γενεών και με διαφορετικά ονόματα διευθύνσεων. Η μία υποστηρίζει την άποψη των ΗΠΑ και της Google, ότι δηλαδή η IP δεν είναι προσωπικό δεδομένο, επομένως δεν χρειάζεται Άδεια της Αρχής (δεν έχουν πάρει χαμπάρι που ψηφίστηκε ο νόμος 3471/2006). Η άλλη υποστηρίζει την άποψη του Ν. 3471/2006 και του αρμόδιου επίτροπου της Ευρωπαϊκής Ένωσης ότι η IP είναι προσωπικό δεδομένο (η Ε.Ε. με μεγάλη χαρά θα έβλεπε την αμερικανική Google δεμένη χειροπόδαρα, ώστε να ευνοηθούν άλλες ευρωπαϊκές αντίζηλες εταιρείες). Όμως εσείς πρέπει να πάρετε απάντηση και τεχνικά δεν υπάρχει τρόπος να διαγραφεί το κομμάτι της υπογραφής του email σας που τους αναστάτωσε.
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Η διαμάχη σε θέματα σχετικά με την ip βρίσκει συνήθως την Υπουργό Εξωτερικών, χωρίς να έχει άποψη, και επομένως ζητείται η γνώμη του Νομικού Συμβούλου, ο οποίος με τη σειρά του θα πεί «μη δίνετε σημασία στα περί προσωπικών δεδομένων, αυτός που τα διαδίδει δεν ξέρει τι του γίνεται». Τώρα γιατί παραμένουν αναπάντητες επιστολές της Αρχής Προστασίας Δεδομένων Προσωπικού Χαρακτήρα προς το Υπουργείο Εξωτερικών, δεν μας το εξηγεί κανείς.
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Δοκιμάστε να δείτε σε ποια κατάταξη είστε στη google όταν ψάχνετε ορισμένες λέξεις κλειδιά και θα… μείνετε με ανοιχτό το στόμα (Search engines optimization)!
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Αν θέλετε να συνεχίσουμε με άλλα παρόμοια θέματα ή ακόμα και για μεσεγγυημένες περιουσίες ….. Ιρακινών, ζητήστε μου το μέσω του studio a blogspot.com. Το διαβάζω.




Υ.Γ. Στις 31 Οκτωβρίου τ.ε. λήγει η προθεσμία για τη δήλωση ακινήτων στο Κτηματολόγιο. Πληροφορούμαι ότι υπάρχει μεγάλη κινητικότητα για δήλωση ακινήτων στο Κτηματολόγιο κατοίκων της Θεσπρωτίας, πρώην κατοίκων της Θεσπρωτίας, πρώην Τσάμηδων, νυν Τσάμηδων, Τσάμηδων της Αυστραλίας, άλλων περίεργων, πρώην δικαιούχων περιουσιών που μπήκαν υπό μεσεγγύηση και δεν τους έχει δοθεί η άδεια διαχείρισης επειδή δεν είναι «ελληνικής καταγωγής», Σκοπιανών πρώην κατοίκων Βόρειας Ελλάδας, οπαδών Ουρανίου Τόξου, πρώην κατοίκων Μακεδονίας και νυν κατοίκων Καναδά και Αυστραλίας και ιδιοκτητών ακινήτων μέχρι και στο κέντρο της Αθήνας. Ρώτησα ένα φίλο μου δικηγόρο «τι σκατά θέλουν αυτοί από το Κτηματολόγιο;». Μου απάντησε: «Έχουν χάσει τα πάντα και κυρίως έχουν χάσει προθεσμίες για να κάνουν αιτήσεις ακυρώσεως. Τώρα κάνουν δήλωση στο Κτηματολόγιο για τα ακίνητα που έχασαν. Το Κτηματολόγιο θα τις απορρίψει ως αβάσιμες, και αυτή η «απόρριψη» ρητή ή σιωπηρή – «εκτελεστή διοικητική πράξη» - θα είναι το πολυπόθητο χαρτί – με νέα προθεσμία 60 ημερών που μάλλον δεν θα τη χάσουν, όπως παλιά - που θα τους ανοίξει τις πόρτες για αιτήσεις ακυρώσεως και (μετά από εξάντληση των εσωτερικών ενδίκων μέσων) για το Ευρωπαϊκό Δικαστήριο Ανθρωπίνων Δικαιωμάτων του Στρασβούργου». Γέλασα. «Τι αστείος είσαι, μερικές φορές» του είπα.

Ετικέτες ΔΕΣΜΕΥΜΕΝΕΣ ΠΕΡΙΟΥΣΙΕΣ, ΕΥΡΩΠΑΪΚΟ ΔΙΚΑΣΤΗΡΙΟ, ΝΤΟΡΑ ΜΠΑΚΟΓΙΑΝΝΗ, ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ, ΤΣΑΜΗΔΕΣ, ΥΠΟΥΡΓΕΙΟ ΕΞΩΤΕΡΙΚΩΝ

It's funny how gialovski frantically searches for evidence of to connect macedonians to greeks.

It's understandable that two countries can learn off each other, develop simiar ideas, ways of life, just by existing geographically next to each other etc but be a completely separte country/identity.

For example, Germans/Austrians Spanish/Portugese Serbs/Croats/Bosnians

But no, don't tell that to gialovski.

Gialovski = no brains!

Can the mods delete the spam by the new greek settler on this forum? Cheers!

True Macedonian

"For I (Alexander I) myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery." (Herod. IX, 45, 2 [Loeb])

True Macedonian (sic), you sound like a pacifist. But your username alone implies irredentist objectives. Which are you?

Anonomyous 13:51 again step out of fantacy land. The word greek did not exist around Alexender I time.

So, what did he really say??????

In the words of Oliver Stone:

'All known records of Alexander the Great were destroyed by fire or other. It was 350 years after his death that they started to write about him again. How could they get it right when they didn't even know the man?'

Gailovski, I am a pacifist. I wouldn't instigate a war unless the other party does.

If calling myself a Macedonian is irredentist then (according to you) I am irredentist too.

But then your wrong cause I have no territorial pretentions. Therefore you aren't allowed to call me irredendist.

We shouldn't read history but we should listen to Oliver Stone. Riiiiiight. As far as the word "Ellin" (Greek) is concerned, you have much to learn my friend.

Nobody was 'greek' before the 1820's. There was no athenian nation EVER! before this time. This is a fact.

Ahhh gospodin gailturd, keep the athenian myths coming.



Your Macedonian friend

Gailovski, think about it a moment. Oliver Stone had to research the events in Alexander's time both before and after his death.

The film has delicate issues to screen. Also he was only going to spend $100 mil to produce it.

So, I KNOW OS is not a historian BUT he had plenty of historians consulting with him, could have taken one or two years to reseach.

Don't you get it by know. The very history that has been twisted and turned and given a hellenic flavor is ridiculed by a third party not of macedonian decent.

I know your hellenic brain is trained to reject such statements but he is making a legitimate comment.

Your hellenic brain is trained to feel all gay and happy when a South Australian politician, that's right a politician makes an ill informed statement about Maco's being greek. (By the way South Australia has a majority greek population far greater than Macedonians)

Now you have a lead in to why us Macedonians are laughing at your greek propaganda.

I will find his exact comments and post them "just for you".



True Macedonian

Rare maps of 17th century showing Macedonia as part of Greece
In these rare maps of 17th c. coming from various countries of Europe like Belgium, Netherlands, Italy we can witness the general notion of the era that Macedonia is a part of Greece. Of course Skopje was always OUT of Macedonia.

The General secretary of NATO Mr Sefer has expressed his deep disappointment and dislike over the news agency’s MINA telegraph in which he was presented as willing to bring as an issue of discussions among the alliance’s members the “incident” in which FYROM is presenting as supposedly has happened in Florina, said NATO spokesman James Apatourai.According to Mr Apatourai, such view was never expressed to Mr Gruevski who he met tody in Brussels. “Baseless” was the term used by the spokesman in regards to further reports of MINA in which Mr Sefer was supposed to have referred with positive characterisations about Mr Gruevski.

Foreign Undersecretary of Mexico Ambassador Juan Manuel Gómez Robledo met with the Deputy Foreign Minister of Greece Dr. Yannis Valinakis in the framework of the 63rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.
They reviewed the bilateral agenda and, in this context, they underlined the importance of the 70th Anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Greece and Mexico, which will take place on August 12, 2009.
Both sides recognized that this milestone constitutes an excellent opportunity to further strengthen the relations of the two countries.
Undersecretary Gómez Robledo thanked Greece for its support for the candidacy of Mexico for a non-permanent seat on the Security Council for the period 2009-2010, and reiterated that the participation of Mexico in the Security Council will be aimed at promoting peaceful settlement of disputes; peace and stability; and upholding the principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter.
Deputy Foreign Minister Valinakis briefed Undersecretary Gómez Robledo on developments regarding the name issue of the State provisionally referred to as the “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”.
In this regard, Undersecretary Gómez Robledo underlined that the Government of Mexico fully supports the United Nations efforts to find a mutually acceptable solution on the subject.
He also assured that, pending settlement of the difference that has arisen over the name of that State, Mexico provisionally refers to that State as the “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”, in conformity with the relevant Security Council Resolutions 817/93 and 845/93, for all international and bilateral purposes.
Finally, Deputy Minister Valinakis and Undersecretary Gómez Robledo emphasized the readiness of both Governments to further promote trade and investment opportunities, taking full advantage of the Free Trade Agreement between the European Union and Mexico

Is anyone serious saying that Greece is a DEMOCRACY? Maybe if the Greek definition of democracy is: Democracy is a country (GREECE) whose politics is based on LYING to their own citizens about being “pure blooded” something connected with a civilisation from over 4000 years ago and NOT mixed with no one else, that they, and ONLY they have the right of EVERYTHING from the history, that everyone BUT them is worthless and useless, and they are “the superior race”, that in their country are living ONLY Greeks and NO ONE else, that only the Greeks have human rights, and everyone else IS A NON EXISTING ISSUE, that they have the right to chose names of the other countries and name of its citizens, that the membership in NATO and EU is giving them a right to spread HATE, DENIAL and breaking of EVERY SINGLE HUMAN RIGHT to the non Greek (“the non existing”) citizens and as a members of that institutions, honouring and respecting that rights is NOT required, the verification of the international laws on human rights in the Greek parliament is NOT necessary and the use and respect of ANY international law is not obligatory, than yes, we can call Greece a “democracy”!

All historical and archaeological evidence demonstrates that the ancient Macedonians were Greek. Macedonia is a Greek name that has designated the northern area of Greece for 2,500 years.


In 1944, the name of the Skopje region was changed to Macedonia as part of Tito’s imperialist campaign to gain control of the Greek province of Macedonia. The United States opposed Tito’s use of the name Macedonia at that time.


I believe that the name Macedonia properly belongs to Greek culture and therefore should not be used by any other country. Greek Macedonia is one of the oldest civilizations known to man and the history of this name should be recognized and respected.

Carolyn Maloney

its YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE A NAME

BUT NO A GREEK NAME

FYROM is a nation. It is not an ethnicity. Its language is an idiom of the Bulgarian language with Slavic roots.

I would like to ask you to cross check the following information:

1. February 26 1992: FYROM's President at that time -Kiro Gligorov- at an interview reported by the US Foreign Information Service's Daily Report on Eastern Europe stated: "We are Slavs, who came to this region in the sixth century. We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."

2. June 3, 1992: FYROM's President at that time -Kiro Gligorov- in an interview after a meeting with the Greek government admitted that FYROM has no relation to ancient Macedonia. That the people of FYROM are Slavs:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WVP7I1rjFyU

3. January 22 1999: FYROM's Ambassador in Washington, DC - Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka - gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. At the end of her speech answering to questions Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendents of Alexander the Great. Greece is FYROM's second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." On the same occasion and in reply to a question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated: "we are Slavs and we speak a Slavic language."

4. February 24 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov - FYROM's Ambassador to Canada - admitted: "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."

5. U.S. State Department, Foreign Relations Vol. VII, Circular Airgram (868.014 / 26 Dec. 1944) by then Secretary of State E. Stettinius:

"The Department has noted with considerable apprehension increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia emanating from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state. "This Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland" or Macedonian "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic or political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece".

You realize that I have used the statements made by officials of FYROM. No Greeks.

ALL of these statements say that there is NO Macedonian ethnicity, NO Macedonian language, NO Macedonian history that is separate from the Hellenic people. On what do FYROMians dare to say that there is a separate Macedonian ethnicity, a distinct Macedonian language, and Macedonian territory, which is “occupied” by Greece.

THE ONLY ETHNIC IDENTITY OF ANYTHING MACEDONIAN IS HELLENIC.

A real Macedonian (greek of course)

THIS GLORIOUS NATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wmSsyE4GEY&NR=1

Битка за името во Латинска Америка
Грчкото МНР на својата интернет страница објави: „Потсекретарот на Министерството за надворешни работи на Мексико, го известил неговиот грчки колега Јанис Валинакис, дека во очекување на решение за разликите околу името, Мексико привремено ќе ја нарекува Македонија со референцата ФИРОМ“.
MEXICO RECOGNISES FYROM AS FYROM.

Hey greeks can you tell us who wrote the following part:
Το απόγευμα (…) συνεκεντρώθηκαν εις το δωμάτιόν μας 12 προύχοντες. Εις αυτούς ζωηρότατα, ευγλωττότατα και-πειστικότατα – μετέφραζεν ο Πύρζας – ωμίλησε, μακεδονικά ο Κώτας
The writer of this letter talking about people who speak macedonian ( μακεδονικά)
Is any greek there who can tell us who is the writer?
To be continued........

KONGO, IS ANOTHER COUNTRY WHO TOOK BACK THE RECOGNIZION OF SKOPIA AS ''MACEDONIA''
LOTS OF OTHERS WILL FOLLOW, AS THE CONSPIRACY AND HISTORY FALSIFICATION PROOVES WHAT GREECE AND MACEDONIANS (GREEKS OF COURSE)ARE SAYING!

Chile has recognised Macedonia and many more will follow.

Is it a lot of greeks posting on this sight all of a sudden or is it just the one malaka?






True Macedonian

To all fyromci majmunomagarci! BE THANKFULL THAT YOU ARE TAKING BACK THESE "JOURNALISTS" SAFE AND SOUND AND NOT WITH A LONG SHARP STEAK HAMMERED IN THEIR DIRTY PIGGY ASSHOLES!!!!!!!
BUT THIS COULD NOT BE THE CASE NEXT TIME!!!!!

Christian turkish settlers cannot be Macedonian. Only Macedonians can be Macedonian.

Македонско име нема да загине!

@ Anon 17:45 The Mods should get rid of these gnasni lugje.

Filthy prick!

Skopians found their great ally Turkey! Same culture, same identity! Why aren't you name your 'entity' New Turkistan?

There hasnt been any news on this site for over a week,
wat are you greeks still doing here?
Do something productive instead of posting pointless hatefilled comments that you know mean nothing to the people your attacking. for gods sakes get a life and stop hating your neighbours. go to a church and pray. may god help u.

Awe Shucks! No veto required.


Macedonia 'Not Ready' for EU Accession Talks

21 October 2008 Brussels _ Macedonia is not yet ready to start European Union accession talks, the bloc’s Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said Monday.

Rehn made the comments less than three weeks before the European Commission publishes its report on the country on November 5.

“We will make our evaluation on November 5 but for the moment, I believe, it will be difficult to recommend opening accession negotiations with Macedonia. For the moment, it seems to me that the eight conditions have not been met, nor has the ninth, that is, the elections”, Rehn told the Agence France Presse news agency.

You greeks are making me laugh. The inscriptions you leave on this blog tells me your of British heritage. Going by your logic, of course!

If Macedonia was greek,
it would have asimilated with greece in 1829
greece would not have to take a share by war and conquest in 1913.
no population swap would be necessary to hellenize angean macedonia

These facts are documented recent proof that Macedonians were never Greek.

Corfu is ready to break away from Greece and be autonomous. Within the next year and a half. I feel your pain Corfuians!

Greece never occupied Macedonia, Macedonia occupied greece back in alexander and philip's days. It took a macedonian to conquer the world.

So learn your 100 years if occupation history of forced assimilation you modern day TurkoProsfiguiAlvanites.

No need for insults Gailturd,

The facts:
- No part of Macedonia was ever part of the athenian nation before 1913.
- There was a population swap after 1913 in Aegean Macedonia, where christian turks were transplanted into Macedonia, and they had to learn the athenian language, as they did not know how to speak athenian before this.
- There was no athenian nation before 1830 EVER!
- The albanian language was very close to being chosen as the national language of the athenian nation.
- Today's athenians are a mixture of albanians, vlachs, turks, Macedonians, jews.
- It was, and always will be Alexander of Macedon, not Alexander of athens, or Alexander of anatolia.

the list goes on and on and on....

You cannot change history with your cut-and-paste lightweight arguments, but you can try.

Поздрав до сите Македонци, атинци и турци,
Your Macedonian friend

I'm referring to my post @ 3:17



True Macedonian

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/alexander.htm

Alexander the Great, one of the world's greatest military commanders, was born in Pella - Macedonia in northern Greece, the son of King Philip II of Macedonia and Olympids, daughter of King Neoptolemos. Between 342 and 340 BC his tutor was the philosopher Aristotle. Alexander had already distinguished himself in battle at Chaironaia in 338 BC when he secured the throne as Alexander III by eliminating his rivals after the death of his father in 336 BC at the hands of Pausanias, possibly a hired assassin. Appointed Commander of the Corinthian League he moved first against the Thracians and the Illyrians and put down a rising by the Thebans (335 BC). As supreme commander of the Greeks in 334 BC Alexander, with his army of 35,000 men, embarked on a campaign of "Hellenistic revenge" against the Persians, crossing the Hellespont (Dardanelles), winning the battle on the Granikos in the spring, occupying Gordion (remembers the story of him cutting the legendary Gordian knot), then marching over the Taurus mountains to Cilicia and defeating Darius III, the Persian king, in November of 333 at Issus, north of present-day Iskenderun. This left the way open to Egypt where he founded the city of Alexandria and had his divine origins and claim to power confirmed by the oracle of Zeus Ammon at the Siwa oasis.

To True Macedonian (sic) aka Anonymous ghost:

If Macedonia was greek,
it would have asimilated with greece in 1829
greece would not have to take a share by war and conquest in 1913.
no population swap would be necessary to hellenize angean macedonia

GREECE WON IT'S INDEPENDENCE FROM TURKEY IN 1829. WE SLOWLY GOT BACK SOME OF OUR LANDS, INCLUDING PARTS OF MACEDONIA. AFTER THE BUCHAREST TREATY OF 1913, IF YOU BOZOS WERE SLICED UP LIKE A PIE, WHY DIDN'T YOU REVOLT? THERE IS NO SUCH REVOLT RECORDED. WHY? BECAUSE YOU BULGARIANS WERE ALREADY ASSIMILATED INTO THE SERB POPULATION SO WHEN THE SERBS TOOK YOU IN 1913 YOU HAD NO PROBLEM. READ UP ON STOJAN NOVAKOVIC TO SEE HOW HE FUCKED YOU. WHERE WAS MISIRKOV BACK THEN? WHY DIDN'T HE RISE UP? BECAUSE HE WAS BULGARIAN AND HE NEVER GOT ASSIMILATED INTO THE SERBS LIKE YOU CLOWNS DID. SO YOU WERE EITHER BULGARIAN OR SERB AFTER THE TREATY OF BUCHAREST. WE REMAINED GREEKS.

These facts are documented recent proof that Macedonians were never Greek.

MACEDONIANS WERE NEVER GREEK? EVEN UP IN FYROM THE ANCIENT MACEDONIAN ARTIFACTS BEING UNEARTHED HAVE GREEK INSCRIPTIONS ON THEM. THERE IS NOT ONE ANCIENT MACEDONIAN ARTIFACT (PRE-ROMAN) WITH A NON-GREEK INSCRIPTION. IF THERE'S WRITING ON IT, IT'S GREEK.

Corfu is ready to break away from Greece and be autonomous. Within the next year and a half. I feel your pain Corfuians!

IN YOUR WET DREAMS!

Greece never occupied Macedonia, Macedonia occupied greece back in alexander and philip's days. It took a macedonian to conquer the world.

GREECE IS MACEDONIA. MACEDONIA IS GREECE.

So learn your 100 years if occupation history of forced assimilation you modern day TurkoProsfiguiAlvanites.

WE'RE CLEAN GREEKS BABY. YOU ON THE OTHER HAND, WITH YOUR INFERIORITY COMPLEXES, ARE TRYING TO PORTRAY US AS DESEASED LIKE YOU. SORRY BABY. WE'RE IMMUNE TO YOUR DESEASE.

Gailturd,

You communicate today in a language other than athenian, that being english. You must be from England then! Say hi to Queen Elizabeth for me.

You forget to mention that the ancient Macedonians had their own distinct language where athenians could not understand them. This has even been brought up in Alexander's battles.

The koine language was the lingua franca at the time (common language to different nations/races). What does the word koine mean in athenian? КОЈ НЕ

The christian turk settlers only spoke turkish before they were transplanted, and had to learn the athenian language. That would lead people to the same conclusion that settlers are athenians, and athenians are settlers, one and the same.

Regards,
Your Macedonian friend

Notice the contradicting statements from Gailovski.

1. Greece never regained the land of Aegean Macedonia "slowly". That is, there is no record of greek occupied Macedonia between 1830 and 1911 or prior. The occupation at 1912 was by war.

2. I just love how he avoids the population swaps and refers to themselves as always being greek.

These are pretty significant events that prove greeks in angean macedonia are formed over the past 90 or so years.

And since you can't prove otherwise - no history for you prior to that buddy!


True Macedonian.

From the second segment of my series "The Birth of a Clone State."

"The name Macedonia (Μακεδονία) is rooted in Homeric Greek. A related form of the word first appears in the Odyssey, VII 106: ‘οιά τε φύλλα μακεδνης αιγείροιο’ whereas ‘μακεδνης’ in the form of an adjective means very high or tall, in this context referring to the size in height of a poplar tree. The first Macedonians spoke a proto-Hellenic dialect similar to that of Homer. They eventually adopted the Attic Greek dialect as did the other Greek city-states and finally the Koine Greek dialect during the Hellenistic period."

You pathetic little man. Failing to address my questions to you as you dream up lie after lie after lie. Your biggest problem, as an individual, is that you actually believe the lies you yourself make up.

An excerpt from the next segment of my series "The Birth of a Clone State:"

Politician Stojan Novakovic conceived an active ethnogenesis process as a transitional stage in assimilating the regional element formulated upon the principle of Macedonia as a separate nation with it’s own language and history. He thought this ‘blueprint’ could attract the people and their feelings and thus sever them from Bulgarianism. This same doctrine of an ideological homogeneity was later adopted and meticulously implemented by Tito.

MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO.

What drugs are you on Gailovski?

The crap you dream up is nothing but utter bushshit subjective nonsense.




True Macedonian

Look up Stojan Novakovic shithead. You just might learn about your conception.

Serb politician Stojan Novakovic in 1887 proposed to the Minister of Education in Belgrade to employ his own Macedonism ideology as a means to counteract the Bulgarian influence in the Macedonian region as a transitional stage in the Serbianization of the Bulgarians there. It was what I call the 'blueprint'which Tito implemented 60 years later.

There's no need for a foreigner of Macedonia (like yourself) to tell us about our history. As mentioned before, why don't you look up your own christian turkish history and learn about your background instead of telling us who we are.

Macedonia will always be Macedonian. Christian turks get your own history.

Greetings,
Your Macedonian friend

Gailovski, I'm convinced you are a stand up comedian. If Stojan Novakovic created a macedonian ideology to break away from Bulgaria then he should be a saint or a national hero to macedonians.

You malaka, my father went to school in the 1950's in ROMacedonia at that time heavy influence on Serbian history. He's never heard of Stojan Novakovic.

Tell me Gailturd, where would the Serbians and Bulgarians be without the Russians to give them their independence after the Rusho/Turko war?

Of course the Macedonians were pissed off they weren't granted independence at that same time like the serbs and bulgarians.

There was a growing consiousness and discontent therefore to breakaway from the Ottoman yoke and Bulgarian influence.

There are plenty of writers before Stojans time in the 19th Century on the macedonian language that conflicts with your propaganda.

While were on this subject, tell be how the Greek language was recoded back to the classic greek in the 1820's as aposed to the byzantiam era?

Macedonia for the Macedonians!


True Macedonian

You Greek's and Macedonians have to learn to live side by side.
History is history- you cannot change it. You all should be concentrating on the present and the future. There is no such as a clone state either. Wars the victor takes land from the loser.
No-one gives there land away.
Check out the history of the world for every country. Also the bible has plenty of wars written in it.

Well said Anonymous 8:53.


True Macedonian

There are many interesting here. Hope to see some more in future

There are many interesting here. Hope to see some more in future