THERE IS NO 'AEGEAN MACEDONIA' but the only ONE REAL MACEDONIA GEOGRAPHICAL and HISTORICAL in GREECE!
Alexander was proud to be Greek by culture and stirpe... as he declares in all existing documents!
WE Macedonians are GREEK as Spartans are GREEK, as Athenians are GREEK, as Ionians are GREEK, as Cretians are GREEK, as Cypriots are GREEK etc.
We are ALL GREEKS, not because we live in the geographical land of ancient Macedonia, but because we are MACEDONIANS, because we are GREEKS! As it was ALEXANDER, and it was very proud to be GREEK as all Macedonians...
Read the history or come to visit the REAL MACEDONIA!
WAKE UP! You are SLAVS and BULGARIANS and turks and ROMS and ALBANIANS living in ANCIENT GREEK PELLAGONIA, because ANCIENT MACEDONIA, HISTORICAL and GEOGRAPHICAL is in GREECE!!!

settle down SPAZ

The Birth of a Clone State


Part IV
The term clone is derived from κλών (klon), the Greek word for twig or branch, referring to the process whereby a new plant can be created from a twig.

Approximately fifteen miles southeast of Cleveland, Ohio is a city called Macedonia. Upon inquiry over fifteen years ago, a local historian explained to me how the city got its name. In the early 1800's Native Americans living in the area had made requests for theology students from Western Reserve College in nearby Hudson to come over and preach to them about Christianity. The students, reminiscent of the biblical passage where "...a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us" (Acts 16:9) began calling the area Macedonia. According to the Scriptures, inspired by his dream the Apostle Paul proceeded to Philippi, Thessaloniki, Veroia, Athens, Corinth, Ephesus, etc. In his message, including epistles to the Philippians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, et al. he addressed his audiences in Koine Greek.

Over fifteen centuries after Paul's mission, Slavophones living in the Ottoman-occupied Macedonia region began changing the names of cities and villages in the area to Slavonic equivalents. They referred to Thessaloniki as Solun, Florina as Lerin, Edessa as Voden, Monastiri as Bitola, and so on. However there was no need to change the term 'Macedonia' to a Slavonic equivalent simply because Slavs did not identify with the name either ethnically, culturally or historically. There was no such thing as a Macedonian ethnic identity. But late in the 19th century a Macedonian ethnic identity was conceived by Slavs in anticipation of an Ottoman retreat from the region as part of separate Bulgarian and Serb assimilation processes of the local element. Sealed with the Treaty of Bucharest, Greece was able to liberate approximately 80 per cent of the Macedonian region from the Ottomans in 1912-13. Parts of the northern Macedonian region, specifically Pelagonia and Gevgeli, fell under Serb control.

Today's self-proclaimed ethnic Macedonians claim that their 'country' was partitioned in the Treaty of Bucharest. But following the Treaty there is no documented revolution, rebellion, revolt or insurrection by the so-called ethnic Macedonians of that time or by anyone else for that matter. As this ethnic Macedonian identity was mostly a Serb invention, they obviously could not have revolted against themselves. Even Macedonists such as Krste Misirkov eventually conceded and acknowledged their Bulgarian roots. But as for the Serbs, Macedonism was still on the table. Novakovic's 'blueprint' later inspired Tito to rename the province of Vardarska to the Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. Thus the 'Cloning' had begun. The conception of an ethnic Macedonian identity was advocated by the now-defunct Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Yet the same unjustified support continues to this day from the Washington establishment.

On October 27, Mr. Daniel Fried, the Department of State Asst. Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs, remarked on the 'Future for Macedonia' to a group of journalists from FYROM, followed by a Q & A session. In his statements, Mr. Fried advocated an ethnic Macedonian identity developed upon FYROM's accession into NATO and the European Union: "If Macedonia joins NATO and the European Union and develops its democracy and its economy and its institutions and is a success, your identity will develop from that success...All national identities in the world start off artificial." That's six big 'ifs' for FYROM's road to maturity devised on a fallacy.

NATO ACCESSION. In a Wall Street Journal Opinion on March 28, shortly before the NATO Summit in Bucharest, former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, another FYROM advocate, claimed that FYROM "...meet(s) the necessary criteria for membership...have shown their commitment to human rights and regional stability by protecting the rights of ethnic minorities." Perhaps Mr. Rumsfeld should re-evaluate his position by reading up on the U.S State Department's latest Country Report on Human Rights Practices regarding FYROM: "According to the World Bank's Worldwide Governance Indicators, government corruption was a serious problem...Societal discrimination against ethnic minorities persisted and inadequate protection of women's rights remained a problem...Approximately half of ethnic minority students did not go on to high school due to lack of classes in minority languages at the secondary level...Trafficked women were forced to work in prostitution, often under the guise of dancers, hostesses, or waitresses in local clubs."

EUROPEAN UNION. On November 5 Mr. Olli Rehn, EU Commissioner for Enlargement released the latest progress report on FYROM's accession candidacy. Some excerpts: "...greater priority needs to be given to establishing a public administration which is transparent, professional and free of political interference. In this area the country is at an early stage...further strengthening of the judiciary is required as regards its independence, efficiency, human resources and budgetary framework...corruption remains a particularly serious problem...Little progress can be reported as regards promotion and enforcement of human rights." And the list goes on. Out of nine accession conditions, none have been met. There will be no EU invitation this year. A veto will not be necessary.

Contrary to Mr. Fried's theory, national identities do not emerge ex nihilo. The starting point of a new identity is a previous one. A nation-state is a state claiming to be a nation. With the exception of Serbia, the nation-states which succeeded the former Yugoslavia are based on the administrative divisions within it, not on pre-existing proto-nations. A different identity, in this case an ethnic Macedonian identity, can only replace existing ones. Fixated on an illusory ancient identity, the fundamental logic of this identity construction is basically negative and oppositional to the Bulgarian and Serb it replaced based on historically flawed interpretations of past events, all within the irredentist framework of Pan-Slavism. The conception of a 'Macedonian Church' by Tito, an atheist communist no less, was an attempt to advance this national identity and legitimize it. As was the conception of a 'Macedonian language' out of local Slavonic dialects.

The hegemony of this idealism structures FYROM's pseudo nationalism on a state-manipulated collective identity. But it is this same state-fostered pseudo nationalism conflicting with the European Union's political culture adversely affecting FYROM's EU aspirations. Notwithstanding, this is the whole concept behind Tito's 'Macedonia.' This is the 'Cloning.'

In the next segment I will reveal the true Macedonians in FYROM, the Vlachs and the Sarakatsans, a.k.a. the Greek minority.

Give the Macedonians back what's theirs!

Македонија за Македонците!

Christian turkish settlers get your own history

Pozdrav do site Makedonci!
Your Macedonian friend

Enough Please Nikola!

Was anybody really paying attention? After all, the summer’s activities included a serious flare-up in the Caucasus, the Beijing Olympics, the true start of the US 2008 election campaign, and the arrest of Radovan Karadzic and his removal to The Hague for trial.

Nevertheless, the summer follies in the FYROM’s capital included a heavy dose of barely disguised Slavo-Macedonian irredentism, apparently aimed at shifting the centre of discussion from the FYROM name negotiations (which Skopje knows it can not win on its terms) to the broader issue of some kind of “Macedonian” (and here they mean Slavic) cultural or linguistic entity.

Rubbish. Fortunately, most of the Greek government and the Commission in Brussels dismissed outright PM Nikola Gruevski’s torrent of letters and representations about his alleged “Macedonian” ethnicity and Greece’s alleged mistreatment of ethnic “Macedonians” and their properties (since Greece considers Macedonians to be Greeks, this is quite novel.) Cooler heads prevailed, with many analysts concluding these tactics were aimed at Gruevski’s domestic constituency.

It is truly excellent news that most of Europe quickly dismissed these inflammatory tactics coming out of Skopje. The Greek side was clearly not looking to exacerbate the problems, and the summer vacation period in both countries kept tempers well below the danger zone. There were only a few reports of trouble with tourist movements from either country visiting the other.

Washington did little to help, at least publically. These FYROMacedonian identity/ethnicity/property problems bandied about by PM Gruevski unfortunately took on more significance than they otherwise would have received since the “Macedonian ethnicity” issue has been accepted by the US State Department’s famed Balkan wizards as meritorious. This is of course thanks to acting Under Secretary of State Daniel Fried’s strong tilt in favor of Skopje since the failed April 2008 Bucharest NATO Summit. After ultra-nationalist PM Gruevski was re-elected in June as a result of Skopje’s troubled general elections, he somehow believed he still had Washington’s support for his irredentist agenda, instead of focusing carefully on UNmediated name talks still being managed by Matthew Nimetz.

We can only hope there will be a serious new attempt by Skopje to deal with the substance of the name dispute. It seems Athens remains ready to talk, but this can not be guaranteed forever in the face of continuing irredentist provocations from Skopje. Reports have surfaced of a US-sponsored plan to be hammered out in the presence of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice when all interested parties converge in New York for the UN General Assembly session later in September. Rumors of Skopje’s agreement to change its Constitutional Name (Republic of Macedonia,) after an adjustment period, were quickly dismissed by US sources. Meanwhile, FYROM officials were scurrying about the US, with FM Antonio Milososki attending the recent Democratic National Convention in Denver and PM Gruevski slated to attend the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis- St. Paul this week. Stay tuned, there is still time for another (desperate) act before Skopje loses its remaining best friends in Washington.

Haps Borgen

I love watching you athenians squirm! Get used to it, the more the truth is revealed, the more squirming from our christian turkish settler friends!

The only thing you need to disprove is the fact that you settlers were transplanted from anatolia to Macedonia after 1913. This will be impossible!

...carry on athenians lol

Македонија за Македонците!

In the documents from Buchkuresht 1913 is clearly written thet Greece occupied the Aegean part of Macedonia,even the Greek king before the Balkan Wars wrote thet he will occupe a part of Macedonia,I would like to share with you one text written by Macedonian author on the end of XIX centery...

"The Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia"

-Georgija Pulevski in 1875

In the documents from Buchkuresht 1913 is clearly written thet Greece occupied the Aegean part of Macedonia,even the Greek king before the Balkan Wars wrote thet he will occupe a part of Macedonia,I would like to share with you one text written by Macedonian author on the end of XIX centery...

"The Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia"

-Georgija Pulevski in 1875