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MACEDONIA'S ROAD TO EU AND NATO SEALED



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In a strong-worded message to Macedonia, Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis made it clear that the country's road to EU and NATO is sealed if no deal on the name row is reached.

Kathimerini daily says Karamanlis toned up his rhetoric in a speech before Greek parliament.

In a reply to rightist Laos party leader Yorgos Karadjaferis, Karajan's stressed that Skopje's Euro-Atlantic ambitions won't come true if the authorities care about political gain of upcoming elections instead of caring about the country's future.

Greek prime minister reiterated Athens' position that only a name with a geographic qualifier could pave the way to an ultimate deal.


[Makfax]

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The Birth of a Clone State - Part VI

The term clone is derived from κλών (klon), the Greek word for twig or branch, referring to the process whereby a new plant can be created from a twig.

In statements to a human rights activist investigating human rights abuses in the former Yugoslavia, Dimitris Petrusis, a Vlach-speaking Greek physician living in Monastiri gave detailed accounts of how the Yugoslav authorities had confiscated all of his family’s property and had forced them to change their surname to Petrushevski. All family members had been educated in the French School of Nuns in Monastiri, including his uncle Michalis, a.k.a. Mihail D. Petrushevski, who was a professor and founder of the Faculty of Philosophy in Skopje. FYROM authorities now forbid Dimitris from restoring his surname.

In the same report, Sofia Anastasiou stated how she was one of the tens of thousands of Greek children abducted by the communists fleeing Greece towards the end of the Greek Civil War. Following her abduction she was sent to Tashkent in the former USSR by the communist authorities and in 1967 she moved to Skopje. Yugoslav authorities forced her to change her surname to Borovska and deny her Greek identity by declaring herself a “Macedonian” in order for her to find employment and housing. FYROM authorities now forbid Sofia from restoring her surname.

The Council of Europe Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms guarantees individuals, inter alia, freedom of expression (Article 10) and freedom of assembly and association (Article 11). On January 15, 2009 the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg, France has set a standard and a precedent for future cases involving human rights violations in FYROM as the Court rendered judgment in a case where freedom of expression and freedom of assembly regarding an organization of FYROM citizens with Bulgarian ethnic self-consciousness have been violated. In the case of Association of Citizens Radko & Paunkovski v. the FYROM (Appl. 74651/01), the ECHR held by six votes to one FYROM in violation of Articles 10 and 11 of the Convention.

In 2000 the Association of Citizens Radko was founded and registered in the city of Ohrid by ten FYROM nationals. The Association’s objectives as stated in its Articles were cultural in nature. The name ‘Radko’ is a pseudonym for a controversial 20th century Bulgarian and one time leader of the VMRO. In the promotional leaflet at the Association’s official launch ceremony, which was marred by violence, it read: “The Association aims to raise and affirm the Macedonian (sic) cultural space having as its priority the cultural and historical identity of the Slavs from Macedonia (sic) who have appeared as Bulgarians throughout the centuries.” In other words, they were acknowledging their Bulgarian roots.

Later that year a group of lawyers and a political party challenged the Association’s legality in FYROM’s Constitutional Court. In 2001 the Constitutional Court declared the Association’s Articles null and void and upon appeal upheld the original ruling and ordered the Association’s dissolution. The Court found that the Articles of the Association were in violation of domestic law aimed at inciting national hatred and intolerance. It also labeled the Association members as fascists and terrorists. The Association and its Chairman then sought remedy through the ECHR.

In the ECHR the Association claimed that its aims had been fully legitimate while its interpretation of the history of the Slavic people in FYROM was markedly different to the official historiography of the State and the State’s interference had not been justified and necessary in a democratic society. In its defense, FYROM argued that the ultimate objective of the Association was to repudiate the identity of the people in FYROM.

In its decision, citing case-law, the Court stated: “Freedom of expression is applicable not only to information or ideas that are favourably received or regarded as inoffensive or as a matter of indifference, but also to those that offend, shock or disturb. Such are the demands of pluralism, tolerance and broadmindedness without which there is no democratic society.”

In an interview last year, Mirjana Lazarova Trajkovska from FYROM and the lone dissenting Judge to this decision, who should have recused herself from this case based on potential conflict of interest, noted that more and more citizens of FYROM are filing suits in Strasbourg’s ECHR. According to the latest statistics as of 12/31/2007, 1352 cases were filed with FYROM as the respondent State of which 454 were filed in 2007 alone. Why such a rising influx of allegations of human rights violations? It is FYROM’s pseudo-nationalist constitutional structure and government curtailing the State’s efforts towards democratic reform and its adherence to basic human rights. As far as FYROM’s history goes, no one in that country is allowed to research it except for “approved” institutions. Pursuant to Article 16 of FYROM’s Law on Scientific Research Activity, “Approvals can be given for all areas defined as public interest in scientific research activity, except for investigative research in the field of historical and cultural identity of the Macedonian (sic) people and nationalities that live in the Republic of Macedonia (sic), defense and security.”
-Official Gazette of the Republic of Macedonia (sic) 13/96 of 15 March 1996.
Why is it illegal for FYROM citizens to research their roots?

FYROM’s Penal Code Articles 178 and 179 provide for the prosecution, conviction and mandatory incarceration all at the discretion of the authorities in order to safeguard the reputation of the “Republic.”
Offending the reputation of the Republic of Macedonia (sic):
Article 178. “A person, who with the intention to ridicule shall publicly make a mockery of the Republic of Macedonia (sic), its flag, arm or anthem, shall be punished with imprisonment of three months to three years.”
Ridiculing the Macedonian (sic) people and the nationalities:
Article 179. “A person, who with the intention to ridicule shall publicly make a mockery of the Macedonian (sic) people and the nationalities, shall be punished with imprisonment of three months to three years.”

Imagine registering a non-profit organization at your local Secretary of State’s office with an objective of promoting the Anglo-Saxon roots of the United States. You are subsequently threatened, taken to court, labeled a fascist and a terrorist and your organization is shut down by the Supreme Court. Why? Because you are not authorized by the government to reference or document any of the country’s history unless it conforms to an official historiography. Crazy? Certain lyrics from a song by the group Collide come to mind: “take away my point of view, take away my dignity, take away the right to speak, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.” That, my friends, is life in FYROM.

Haha another cut-and-paste article from gailturd.

The truth is, you athenians/yunanistani/christian turks can veto us 1000 times over, it won't change the fact that before the year 1913, you pseudo-nation had nothing to do with Macedonia. We will always be Macedonian, veto or not. That's something that no christian turkish settler can take away from us Macedonians.

Смрт за тие, биди атинци, хрисјани турци, татари, срби или шиптари, шо сакаат да ја уништат Македонија и Македонците

Pursuant to Article 16 of FYROM’s Law on Scientific Research Activity, “Approvals can be given for all areas defined as public interest in scientific research activity, except for investigative research in the field of historical and cultural identity of the Macedonian (sic) people and nationalities that live in the Republic of Macedonia (sic), defense and security.”
-Official Gazette of the Republic of Macedonia (sic) 13/96 of 15 March 1996.
Why is it illegal for FYROM citizens to research their roots?

Hey stupid, It's not cut and paste when I'm the one who wrote the the article. So, why aren't you monkeys allowed to research your history?

Hey majmun gailturd,

I'd say it's because of outside pressure from yunanistan (you), tataria and serbia that something like that would be stated. But we know the history of Macedonia and how it was partitioned without the Macedonian people's consent in 1913. All you need to do is go and visit the museum of Macedonian struggle in Solun (salonica), and you will see 2 maps - 1 map of yunanistan before it acquired Macedonian land, and the other map of yunanistan after it acquired Macedonian land. So, how can you still deny this if it is even backed up by information given to you by your own f**ked up government?

This 'fyrom' label only exists in your racist backyard, the rest of the world calls us by our real name - The Republic of Macedonia. So, please tell me who is winning this battle that you arvanovlachs have created?

Greetings (Pozdrav),
From your Macedonian friend

Please read what the fuck you just wrote. Outside pressure does not allow you to research your roots? Maps of Greece before and after the Bucharest Treaty?

That's how you justify your nazi establishment?

ARE YOU THAT FUCKED?

Hey gailturd,

We Macedonians know our roots, so what is there to research? The real interesting thing would be for you to research your own family background and find out why your parents/grandparents spoke a language that was not athenian, and why they had to learn the athenian language.

Honestly, i can't say i've heard of this 'law' before, but we all know that we do research our roots. Might just be some more athenian hot air.

Nazi establishment? WTF are you talking about? Go on writing your false papers so that arvanovlachs like yourself can fell better about themselves, and how they believe that they are heirs to the world, when in reality you are a pseudo nation made up of a hotch potch nationalities who did not know how to speak 'greek' when your nation was formed for the first time in the 1830's. Wasn't there a huge possibility of making albanian the official language, before resurrecting a dead language that the people had to learn, at the time of your nations birth??? So much for ancient roots...

Greetings,
Your Macedonian friend

You write bullshit while I reference your nazi laws. You don't know about it? Look it up moron.

Article 16 of FYROM’s Law on Scientific Research Activity:

“Approvals can be given for all areas defined as public interest in scientific research activity, except for investigative research in the field of historical and cultural identity of the Macedonian (sic) people and nationalities that live in the Republic of Macedonia (sic), defense and security.”

-Official Gazette of the Republic of Macedonia (sic) 13/96 of 15 March 1996.

It is so fuckin obvious you're an agent of the state. All you want to do is misinform your subjects. You are being paid to do so. You want to keep them like sheep. You're a paid propagandist. Look up Article 16 and tell me what it says.

Let me help you.

Člen 16

Odobrenieto može da se dade za site oblasti opredeleni kako javen interes vo naučno-istražuvačkata dejnost, osven za naučnite istražuvanja vo oblasta na istoriskiot i kulturniot identitet na makedonskiot narod i nacionalnostite koi živeat vo Republika Makedonija, odbranata i bezbednosta.

Služben vesnik na RM 13/96 od 15 mart 1996 god

gailturd,

You are a complete idiot. Why would i need to be paid by the state to show that you yunanistans had nothing to do with Macedonia before it's illegal partition??? The misinformation comes from your side my friend, because you claim to be something (athenian) and in reality you are something else (arvanite/vlach/turk). I don't need to be an agent to find out this information majmun. I am just a Macedonian who has every right to defend himself against someone who is insecure about his/her own family history, and the reality of how he/she became an athenian.

The one thing i have noticed with you yunanistan apologists is that you accuse us Macedonians of doing that which you are doing yourself - propaganda, stealing history. You accuse us of the things you yourself are already doing.

You, christian turk, are too focused on our history and how we came to be, when in reality you are not 100% sure of your own background and family history.

You didn't answer any of the questions i asked you previously: why did your parents/grandparents speak a native tongue other than athenian?? why were they forced to learn athenian if, as you claim, they have always been athenian??? why was there a HUGE possibility of your nation making albanian the official language???

No gailturd, i am not paid by the state, because the state is probably not rich enough at the moment to be paying individuals to do something that every Macedonian already knows.

It is good to see that you can read/write in the Macedonian language. You most probably are a grkoman - a Macedonian who denies his Macedonian roots, and has sold his soul to show the athenians that he is a pure athenian, in order to be accepted in your f**ked up country of yunanistan - a traitor to your own people. Personally, i don't know how you live with yourself.

...but carry on majmun

Greetings (Pozdrav),
Your Macedonian friend

Explain this:

Člen 16

Odobrenieto može da se dade za site oblasti opredeleni kako javen interes vo naučno-istražuvačkata dejnost, osven za naučnite istražuvanja vo oblasta na istoriskiot i kulturniot identitet na makedonskiot narod i nacionalnostite koi živeat vo Republika Makedonija, odbranata i bezbednosta.

Služben vesnik na RM 13/96 od 15 mart 1996 god

Don't avoid it. I won't let you. That was the whole reason behind the Association Radko's dissolution. They were claiming their Bulgarian roots. Explain it.

And I AM MACEDONIAN. A MACEDONIAN GREEK!

There is nothing left to explain to you gailturd. It is obvious to me that your new yunanistan agenda is to portray us Macedonians as nazis, when in reality we were under the label of 'communists' instead. Now, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the nazis hate the communists??? Back to the drawing board christian turk...

We all know after the abolishment of the Macedonian church in Macedonia in 1767, the athenians and the tatars established their own pseudo churches - exarchate (tatarian) and patriachate (athenian). The Macedonians were forced to attend these churches because they could not worship in their own Macedonian churches, and those who attended the exarchate churches (tatarian churches) were counted/labelled as bulgars. Those who attended the patriach churches were counted/labelled as athenians. Some christians you yunanistans turned out to be, killing and torturing your christian brothers...

And if you were really a Macedonian, you wouldn't need to distinguish yourself from any other race. What the hell is a 'macedonian greek'???

I AM MACEDONIAN. FULL STOP.

You need to go back to your arvanoturkovlach hideaway and come up with a better argument. An argument which proves that you yunanistans had something to do with Macedonia before it's illegal partition in 1913...

Greetings majmun,
Your Macedonian friend

Can you give me some references from INDEPENDENT sources regarding the "abolishment of a Macedonian Church in 1767?"

Why don't you reply to me on Article 16? Why can't you look up to see who your grandfather was? It's because he was either Bulgarian, Serb or Greek. Just like Gruevski's grandfather. Nikolaos Grouios from Ahlada, Florina, Macedonia, GREECE.

Hahaha Gurevski's grandfather being athenian!?!?!

If Macedonia was athenian, please explain why there was a law passed by the athenian govt to rename placenames, toponyms, peoples names in order to make them sound more athenian????

Lerin was changed to florina
Kostur was changed to kastoria
Nevoleni was changed to skopia
Gruev was changed to Grouios
This is still recent enough for us Macedonians to remember.

Why change them if they are already athenian?????????????

Embrace you arvanite/vlach/turkish background

Macedonia can only be Macedonian

Macedonian Orthodox Church history:

http://www.mpc.org.mk/English/MPC/history-mpc.asp

So much for our 'orthodox brothers' to the south. Majmuni!

Macedonia - the land of Macedonians

You are so fucked it's unbelievable. First of all, I asked for an INDEPENDENT source regarding your so-called church. Do you have any idea what "INDEPENDENT" means? I didn't think so.

Second, regarding Nikolaos Grouios' grandson, read it and weep shithead:

http://macedoniadaily.blogspot.com/2008/05/people-in-lerin-proud-of-nikolas-gruios.html#comments

Lerin is historically a Macedonian town you majmun! Macedonians used to, and still do reside there.

If Gurevski's family were athenians, why/where/when did they have the chance to learn the Macedonian language???

You are a typical arvanoturkovlach apologist who is blaming everyone else for your lack of family history and belonging to the area. Go find out why your family speaks a language other than athenian as their mother tongue at home behind closed doors you majmun! Stop wasting your time trying to prove that we are not Macedonians. If that was the case, you christian turkish settlers would have been successful in renaming us by now...

Macedonia - a christian turkish settler can not relate to it.

Give my regards to the nation of yunanistan

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