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GREEKS IN THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA?



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Recently the Greeks are more and more talking about a possible "Greek-Macedonian minority in the Republic of Macedonia".
The Greeks are doing this probably to irritate us Macedonians, they are thinking that with such remarks and comments they can annoy us Macedonians by claiming there is a Greek minority and that we care or are afraid of such a minority. But, what the Greeks do not understand is that we do not have any problem with a possible Greek minority in our country. On the contrary, Macedonia is a very multicultural country, it is not to wonder why the Italians call their mixed fruity salad, "Macedonia". We are welcoming them and have nothing against Greek people, just as any other minorities in Macedonia.

Macedonia is the only country in Europe where the Roma people have so much rights, political parties and they even have their own municipality in which their language is an official one. So why should we be annoyed or feel ashamed when there is a possible Greek minority in our country, as the Greeks want us to feel. There are even Egyptians, claiming to be descendants of the ancient Egyptians in the country!

The big difference between Macedonia and Greece is that, we don't really see a problem in our ethnic minorities, we grant them rights and we recognize the minorities, so why would we be annoyed if people mention there is a Greek minority? Greece however is not willing to aknowledge their minorities and is still stating that 99% of their country is nothing but Greek.

So how many Greeks are there really in the Republic of Macedonia? The 2002 Macedonian census shows there are 422 Greeks in the country, of which probably the most are just Greek bussinesmen living in the country. The Greeks however are stating that there are nearly 200.000 Greeks in the Republic of Macedonia. We find that very hard to believe, but then we see why they mention this high number; According to a Greek source of 1994 there are 200.000 Aromanians in Macedonia and according to the 2002 official Macedonian census, there are about 10.000 Aromanians (Vlachs). The Greeks are now using them to portray them as Greeks by claiming that the majority of the Aromanians have historically self-identified as Greeks. If they were really Greeks, why would they declare Aromanians at the census and not signed as Greeks?

Also recently a website was opened about the possible Greek minority in Macedonia under the name of; "Northmacedonians". A Greek television channel, went into South Macedonia to interview members of the Greek community in Bitola. They have interviewed one guy, named; Nikos Konstantinidis, where he said that most of the Greeks are living in south-east of the Republic of Macedonia, adding that there are more than 200.000.

The Greeks should not use this possible "Greek minority in Macedonia" to annoy us, cause we don't have a problem with it, like they think we do, even if their claims are true.


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    MAKEDONCI JAVETE SE VO GRCKA PRAVEJTA KRAVALI! DEKA STE?? NESE PLASAJTE! VADI DOKUMENTI STO IMATE! POKAZI GI NA SVETOT!! TI SI MAKEDONIJA

    Excellent article, and image (two flags together); it shows there is much friendship and understanding between the two peoples.
    The Greek presence is mixed. It comes from 1940s Greek refugees, wives of (Slav) Macedonian refugees, or even the half Greek half (Slav) Macedonian refugees. There are also those who lived there previously. Many married locally. Also some Sarakatsani. There is an early map of Skopje that shows it had a small Greek quarter. They are the same religion and share many join struggles.

    we will destroy you be carefull poor bastards.greeks are more and more rich than you our army is biger and modern .so fuck off .macedonia is greek macedonia= greece.are you slavs or not answer me?is your language slavian or not?

    Actually these Greeks are true Macedonians, not invented ones like yourselves.

    Forgive the stupidities that wrote more the friend from Greece. Most of us we have positive opinion for you and your country. It should however you respect the history of ancient Macedonia that cultural they is Greek.
    Our populations do not have they separate many.

    Personally I would not have problem you are named Macedonians. Is enough your Macedonian identity, it emanates in from the Hellenism and no slavism.

    @ionas

    Ha, now that you said that Macedonian means Greek, you convinced them.

    The fact : Republic of Macedonia is recognized by the official name, Macedonia, from 123 countries.
    The question: Somewhere i read this : The "gold number" is 125.
    If this happen then Macedonia can go to the United Nations and will recognized like Republic of Macedonia".
    If anyone knows about this please write here
    Thanks

    The fact: the country is recognised on a bilateral agreement by 123 countries as 'Republic of Macedonia', not Macedonia. There is no golden rule about 125, if there was one the US and some other states would have had problems over certain policies it pursued through the UN.

    The Greek Macedonian minority in the Republic of Macedonia
    Main article: Demographics of the Republic of Macedonia
    There is a Greek Macedonian minority in what is now the Republic of Macedonia, a remnant of the formerly much larger indigenous Greek community of the wider region of Macedonia that fell within the borders of Serbia after the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. The official 2002 census figures cite a few hundred ethnic Greeks in the country,[134] but it is unknown how many of these consider themselves to be of indigenous Macedonian origin. In addition, Greek sources suggest that the Vlach minority in the country, which numbered 250,000 in 1994, are of Greek origin.[142] According to Victor Roudometof, the majority of the Vlachs in the Southern Balkans have historically self-identified as Greeks.[143] However, according to the 2002 census, 9,695 people profess a Vlach identity.[144]

    SPREAD THIS MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD.
    THEY HAVE A NAME!!!!!!!!!!

    FOR THOSE THAT SEEK A NAME FOR ' MACEDONIA '.

    THE NAME OF THE AREA BEFORE WORLD WAR II WAS VARDARSKA.

    THE NAME MACEDONIA WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY THEIR CRYPTO JEWISH LEADER JOSEF BROSTEIN (OR THE LEADER KNOWN AS TITO).

    ATTACHED YOU WILL FIND THEIR MAP BEFORE 1940.


    A FEW NOTES FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW.

    1. ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND HIS TEACHER ARISTOTLE SPOKE HELLENIC. NOT ANY SLAVIC LANGUAGE.
    2. THE MACEDONIAN CAPITAL WAS PELLA. NOT SKOPJE.
    3. ALEXANDER'S SISTER WAS CALLED THESSALONIKI. NOT SOLUN LIKE THE SLAV(E)S CALL IT.
    4. VOUKEFALAS WAS ALEXANDER'S HORSE. NOT A ZASTAVA.

    SO, VARDARSKA IT IS AND STOP PLAYING WITH THE REAL MACEDONIANS.

    WE'VE HAD ENOUGH WITH THIS JOKE.

    Let's calm down a bit, pals. Through history (and let's talk seriously, not like stupid fondamentalists) the name "Macedonia" belongs to our nation (I am first Macedonian and then Greek :-) ) and after the Byzantine years the Slavs appeared and established a small kingdom there in the North. That's so simple as that Skopje nation and Greek nation SHOULD and SHALL be more than friends. It's a pity that governments, for their reasons, change the history and guide their nations to be blind. The name Macedonia is my pride. I think that it's yours also, because you're surrounded by enemies - I think that the Albanian dreams of a Great Albania is coming to our gates. Enemy in our gates, friends. My opinion? Trully? Let's forget this shit about you're Macedonians or we are Macedonians - if we both want so much to defend our origin let's be all Macedonians. You're a bit late-Macedonians, where is the problem? You were not here to share the glory of The Macedonian Kingdom when it was defeating Greeks, but you like sooooo much to be Macedonians. I respect your strong wish. And if we talk sincerely and honestly, you defended the Macedonian name more than the past Greek governments. They didn't care about our name.
    Fast conclusion: You're christians, orthodoxs, you want to be called Macedonians, we can put a bit "water in our wine" - BOTH of us - and we can built a strong affiliation. A strong bond between the two nations. Your enemy is Albanian fondamendalism. I think ours is the same. We must create a shield for this. Look what they did to Kossovo, under the blessing of these terrorists, the USA. The plan of USA and their allies is to separate all Balkans and give a good piece of our body to Albanians - the only nation on Earth that declared the central road of their capital to "George Bush Avenue".
    Let's calm down for the name. Let's compromise. Let's be reasonable and let's see the future. Let's defend our REAL interrestings. Our counties. Together.
    For me? Totally personal? As we grew up in Thessaloniki, under the mad behaviour of all Athens-govenrments, there is our dream in a corner of our heart: An independent Macedonia. A Macedonian democracy, rich and strong, with all the nations which want to participate. A country that can be protected from all the plans and all the enemies.
    Don't tell anybody... :-)
    Costas
    (unfortunately living in Athens)

    Costas, bullshits are easy to say... I thing you have not a cell of greek blood and even less a Macedonian!
    As a Macedonian that I grew up and live in the Capital Of Macedonia, Thessaloniki, I tell you to move in Skopia and share your true blooderhood with the turks there!
    I'm not against anybody, especially Slavs and Bulgarians of Skopia, but we are the Macedonians, Greeks one!

    Greece's minorities are rich and secure as they enjoy european standards!
    Be more open to the minorities of your country, as is a country of just minorities. Vardaska Banovina, is an artificial project as we all know with Bulgarians, Albanians, Slavs, Greeks, Turks, Gypsies and if this was respected with an apropriate Name all would be normalised!

    Μαλάκα υπερέλληνα.
    Αν νομίζεις ότι τρέχει μέσα σου μακεδονικό αίμα τότε πλανάσαι πλάνην οικτρά και είσαι και εθνικιστικό φρικιό, σαν τα όψιμα νεοελληνικά αθηναιόφερτα μαλάκια, που κόπτονται περί Μακεδονίας και άλλων παπαριών. Μήπως είσαι και ΠΑΟΚτσής παρεμπιπτόντως; Πάντως παιδάκι του κώλου είσαι και όταν εμείς γεννιόμασταν και ονειρευόμασταν στη Σαλονίκη, εσύ έβρεχες τα παντελονάκια σου με καθαρά τουρκόσπορο κάτουρο. ΄Αντε, ρε καραγκιοζάκο, που θα μου εμένα τις ΛΑΟΣιτζίδικες μαλακίες σου. Κι όσο για τους Σκοπιανούς, ναι, τους βγάζω το καπέλο γιατί υπερασπίζονται το όνομα της Μακεδονίας τόσο όσο κανένα μακεδονόπουλο του κώλου εκ "Θεσσαλονίκης", που το μόνο που ξέρει να κάνει είναι να τρέχει στην παραλία για γκομενίτσες με το μουνί έξω, αραγμένες σε ξετσίπωτους καναπέδες της Πλατείας Αριστοτέλους. Αν ήσασταν Μακεδόνες όπως εμείς κάποτε, θα πηγαίνατε ήδη στα σύνορα, ρε καραγκιοζάκο, ή θα καταψηφίζατε τους ηλίθιους που βγάζετε (βλέπε Ψωμιάδη, Καϊλη και άλλους γελοίους). Τώρα ντρέπομαι για τη Σαλονίκη μου. Την "Θεσσαλονίκη" που έχετε καταντήσει να την κάνετε ό,τι θέτε. Και να λέτε ότι είστε μακεδόνες. Μα αληθινά είστε μακεδονίσκοι και μαϊντανοί. ΄Ελληνες του κώλου, δηλαδή. ΄Αϊ σιχτίρ (τούρκικα)

    Αγαπητέ ανώνυμε μαλλον έχουν διαταραχθεί τα νεύρα σου...να το κοιτάξεις!
    Dear friend paid to spread this (economic) propaganda please listen...as far as Monastiri goes there's a vast majority of Greek people and this is a pure fact for anyone who wants to search and find out as it's a present history.For that matter maybe the Eblul or KEMO should take some actions.
    I'm not Greek myself but i can assure you that history cannot be written twice especially for the ancient years.
    There are hundrends of historical proofs from the ancient years till today that indicate the Hellinic authenticity of Macedonia (even religious ones through the Bible-Talmouth Book)but there's none NOT EVEN ONE to be able to prove that Slavs had any connection with the Macedonians as they are Greeks and only beyond any doubt.
    Trust me on that i've dedicated my life in research.
    A public conversation between historians and genetists would be a very intresting case and it would help all the youngest of Fyrom to understand that the manipulation using your education you have accepted through years was a very large lie.
    You see my dear friend it is very common through history whole nations to be teached falselly creating hate and division between neibour nations and i'm affraid that you have to examine this option further in order to protect your rights in the future as you your friends and family have been used in a very bad way to serve other countries tastes against Hellas.
    Take my word for granted as i predict for you a division inside your own country afterwords so try to educate youself outside the limits of your nation to make sure that you know history on all aspects in order to protect your future correctly to understand what the truth really is and to make sure who your friends really are.
    Allow me to provide you with a moto of the Greek people which is indeed really supportive as they say ''THE GOOD ALWAYS WINS''.
    Have this in mind always as the history has proved that they are the only friends you have in the area.

    P.S.

    ....but if this comes from an american tech-frick paid boy to indicate what's the purpose of all this mess in Balkans trust me when i say that mission is not and will never be accomplished.
    And once again as Greeks say ''THE GOOD ALWAYS WINS'' so they know better as history shows.

    P.S.2

    CIA WORLD FACTBOOK..

    note: the provisional designation used by the UN, EU, and NATO is the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)

    by the way have a look at this important information... plain Macedonia!

    Skopijans,
    read an English book about the history of your land.
    All the world is laughing with you
    and the way that you suck USA and
    USA's gas pipe.
    Because of that gas pipe
    they bombed Uranium to your land.
    They have separated Yugoslavia
    in small worthless countries
    to be able to control them
    and also to send nuclear wastes to you.
    You have the highest radiation in europe.
    Don't be suckers.
    The most important is that Greeks and Skopijans are Orthodoxes, not the "Macedonia" name.

    Καραγκιοζηδες νέο-Ελληναραδες του κωλου, απογονοι των Σουλτανων και του 6ου στολου, από ποτε ανακαλυψατε αρχαιο Μακεδονικο αιμα να κυλαει στις φλεβες σας? Λετε ο Αλεξανδρος να στηρηξε τις πετυχημενες εκστρατειες του σε ανθρωπους με μυαλα και παραστημα Ψωμιαδηδων, Ανθιμων και Καρατζαφερηδων της αρχαιοτητας????
    Ξυπνηστε επι τελους και καταλαβετε πως η Μακεδονια είναι ΜΙΑ και ανηκει στους ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ ειτε αυτοι βρισκονται στα Σκοπια ειτε στο Πιριν ειτε στο Αιγαιο. Ολη η οικουμενη μιλαει για μια Μακεδονια και οσο και να χτυπανε κατω τα οπισθια τους οι νέο-Ελληνες εθνικιστες η Μακεδονια αργα η γρηγορα θα ενωθει με τα αλλα δυο κοματια της και με πρωτευουσα την Σολουν η Θεσσαλονικη θα αναβιωσει το μεγαλειο του Μακεδονικου εθνους.
    Σορρυ Χρυσαυγιτες και λοιπα εθνίκια μου αλλα η ιστορια εχει προχωρησει πολύ από τις μερες του κυρ-Δραγουμη. Με τις υγειες σας λοιπον. Βιβα Ματσεντονια!!!

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