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TONIGHT: RIVALS FOR OVER 2000 YEARS MEET - MACEDONIA VS GREECE



National.

Macedonia versus Greece match is set to open the European Basketball Championship in Poland today.

Euro-Basket is the biennial basketball championship contested by European nations and held by FIBA Europe. The tournament, which will be hosted by Poland, will begin on 7 September and will conclude with the final on 20 September.

This is the second time that Macedonia participates in the European basketball championship, after its debut in France 10 years ago.

Coach Jovica Arsic has ended his dilemma and picked American-Macedonian Jeremiah Massey over Darius Washington (former NBA)to play at Eurobasket, since no more than 2 neutralized players are allowed on one team.

Macedonia will play against the current world vice-champion Greece.

The premiere duel begins today at 16:39. The residents can watch the match on a large video beam at the Skopje's central square Pela.

In the Phase 1, Macedonia - placed in the Group 1 - will play against Greece, Croatia and Israel.


MD: This historical match between two rivals being played tonight will be very interesting. We were always waiting for Greece to find them in the same group with us. This is very important, if we win, we already kinda won the tournament. Many Macedonian and Greek fans are expected as well as half a stadium of policemen since the game is being marked as high risk by Polish organisers. Salute to our southern neighbours; Enjoy the game, no hard feelings and may the best one win!

[Makfax]

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Funny!!! What a joke!!! 2000 years ago you Slavs were not been even concepted...
That's really a joke!!!

Rivals for 2000 years?? LOL you crack me up

No Mate its the other way around the Macedonians have been around for over 4000 years and the Greeks have been around for only 179 years created in the 1830 by the western Powers.

Macedonia name is older then Greece.

Alexander The Greats Empire was called the Macedonian Empire not the Greek or Hellenic those names never existed in Ancient Times.

The True Macedonians are the Macedonians They are not Greeks or Bulgarians. Macedonia 4 the Macedonians

and another point the Bulgarinas speak a Macedonian dilect its not Bulgarian because Bulgaria came to the region in the 6 centrey the language they speak is not theres.

we are not slavs thats just a term that was used in Byzantine times for all the countrys that spoke in the Macedonian dilect because not everybody wanted there language to be called Macedonian.

there is about 60 Countrys in the world that speak slavic its just a term they use for slavic dilects.

like the Greeks only speak Greek what kind of Empire did you run if your language only exists only in Greece. The Macedonian dilect is wide spread all over the world.

Dont tell me now that the English language is based on the Greek language and a lot of English words a Greek. mate they are your creaters.

To all the athenian majmuni: "slav" is not an ethnicity. Nobody is 'slav' by blood. It is a linguistical group. While the Macedonian language belongs to the slavic family of languages, our ethnicity is/was/always will be Macedonian.

I question your athenian-ness, as history tells us that the athenian nation was built on assimilating turks, albanians, slavic speaking people, vlachs, jews, etc. The problem with athenian history is that there is a 2000 year continuity gap in your history. Ask your parents/grandparents why they speak a mother tongue different than athenian...

Regards,
Your Macedonian friend

Now it came to pass, after that Alexander the son of Philip the Macedonian, who first reigned in Greece, coming out of the land of Cethim, had overthrown Darius king of the Persians and Medes.

And there came out of them a wicked root, Antiochus the Illustrious, the son of king Antiochus, who had been a hostage at Rome: and he reigned in the hundred and thirty-seventh year of the kingdom of the Greeks. Maccabees book 1 Jewish independent book
Yona" is a Pali word used in ancient India to designate Greek speakers. Its equivalent in Sanskrit is the word "Yavana". "Yona" and "Yavana" are both transliterations of the Greek word for "Ionians" (Homer Iāones, older *Iāwones), who were probably the first Greeks to be known in the East.
Direct identification of these words with the Greeks include:


The mention of the "Yona king Antiochus" in the Edicts of Ashoka (280 BCE)
The mention of the "Yona king Antialcidas" in the Heliodorus pillar in Vidisha (110 BCE)
King Menander and his bodyguard of "500 Yonas" in the Milinda Panha.
The description of Greek astrology and Greek terminology in the Yavanajataka ("Sayings of the Yavanas") (150 CE).
The mention of "Alexandria, the city of the Yonas" in the Mahavamsa, Chapter 29 (4th century CE).
Although the association with eastern Greeks seems to have been quite precise and systematic until the beginning of our era (other foreigners had their own descriptor, such as Sakas, Pahlavas, Kambojas etc...), these terms came to designate more generally "foreigners" in the following centuries

Indian references
In Indian sources, the usage of the words "Yona", "Yauna", "Yonaka", "Yavana" or "Javana" etc. appears repeatedly, and particularly in relation to the Greek kingdoms which neighboured or sometimes occupied the Indian north-western territories (which is now Afghanistan or part of Pakistan) over a period of several centuries from the 4th century BCE to the 1st century CE, such as the Seleucid Empire, the Greco-Bactrian kingdom and the Indo-Greek kingdom.
After Alexander's invasion, the Greek settlements had existed in eastern parts of Achaemenid empire, north-west of India, as neighbors to the Iranian Kambojas. The references to the Yonas in the early Buddhist texts may be related to the same.

Role in Buddhism
Edicts of Ashoka (250 BCE)
Some of the better known examples are those of the Edicts of Ashoka (c. 250 BCE), in which the Buddhist emperor Ashoka refers to the Greek populations under his rule. Rock Edicts V and XIII mention the Yonas (or the Greeks) along with the Kambojas and Gandharas as a subject people forming a frontier region of his empire and attest that he sent envoys to the Greek rulers in the West as far as the Mediterranean, faultlessly naming them one by one. In the Gandhari original of Rock XIII, the Greek kings to the West are associated unambiguously with the term "Yona": Antiochus is referred as "Amtiyoko nama Yona-raja" (lit. "The Greek king by the name of Antiochus"), beyond whom live the four other kings: "param ca tena Atiyokena cature 4 rajani Turamaye nama Amtikini nama Maka nama Alikasudaro nama" (lit. "And beyond Antiochus, four kings by the name of Ptolemy, the name of Antigonos, the name of Magas, the name Alexander").
Scientific abilities
Several references in Indian literature praise the knowledge of the Yavanas or the Greeks.
The Mahabharata compliments them as "the all-knowing Yavanas" (sarvajnaa yavanaa) i.e. "The Yavanas, O king, are all-knowing; the Suras are particularly so. The mlecchas are wedded to the creations of their own fancy." and the creators of flying machines that are generally called vimanas.

The "Brihat-Samhita" of the mathematician Varahamihira says: "The Greeks, though impure, must be honored since they were trained in sciences and therein, excelled others....." .

Yet another Indian text, (Gargi-Samhita), also similarly compliments the Yavanas saying: "The Yavanas are barbarians yet the science of astronomy originated with them and for this they must be revered like Gods".

Other references
On the 110 BCE Heliodorus pillar in Vidisha in Central India, the Indo-Greek king Antialcidas, who had sent an ambassador to the court of the Sunga king Bhagabhadra, was also qualified as "Yona".
The Mahavamsa also attests Yona settlement in Anuradhapura in ancient Sri Lanka, probably contributing to trade between East and West.

Buddhist texts like Sumangala Vilasini class the language of the Yavanas with the Milakkhabhasa i.e impure language.

Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE in the area covered by modern Afghanistan, Pakistan and north-western border regions of modern India namely western portions of Jammu and Kashmir. It was a cultural consequence of a long chain of interactions begun by Greek forays into India from the time of Alexander the Great, carried further by the establishment of Indo-Greek rule in the area for some centuries, and extended during flourishing of the Hellenized empire of the Kushans. Greco-Buddhism influenced the artistic (and perhaps the conceptual) development of Buddhism, particularly Mahayana Buddhism, before Buddhism was adopted in Central and Northeastern Asia, from the 1st century CE, ultimately spreading to China, Korea and Japan.
Historical outline
The interaction between Hellenistic Greece and Buddhism started when Alexander the Great conquered the Achaemenid Empire and further regions of Central Asia in 334 BCE, crossing the Indus and Jhelum rivers, and going as far as the Beas, thus establishing direct contact with India, the birthplace of Buddhism.
Alexander founded several cities in his new territories in the areas of the Oxus and Bactria, and Greek settlements further extended to the Khyber Pass, Gandhara (see Taxila) and the Punjab. These regions correspond to a unique geographical passageway between the Himalayas and the Hindu Kush mountains, through which most of the interaction between India and Central Asia took place, generating intense cultural exchange and trade.

Following Alexander's death on June 10, 323 BCE, the Diadochoi (successors) founded their own kingdoms in Asia Minor and Central Asia. General Seleucus set up the Seleucid Kingdom, which extended as far as India. Later, the Eastern part of the Seleucid Kingdom broke away to form the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom (3rd–2nd century BCE), followed by the Indo-Greek Kingdom (2nd–1st century BCE), and later the Kushan Empire (1st–3rd century CE).

The interaction of Greek and Buddhist cultures operated over several centuries until it ended in the 5th century CE with the invasions of the White Huns, and later the expansion of Islam

The former President of The FYROM, Kiro Gligorov said: We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).
b. Also, Mr Gligorov declared: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).
c. On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great ¦ Greece is Macedonia second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.
d. On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, “There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country".
e. Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people.
NOW WHY DO YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT SLAVS?????BRAINWASHED THAT'S WHY? SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH AND DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU ARE TOLD AT SCHOOL, CHURCH, BY PARENTS , FRIENDS, NATIONALIST MEETINGS UNTIL YOU RESEARCH LIKE A JEWELLER CHECKS FOR REAL GOLD. ENGELS=MARX=LENIN=STALIN=HITLER=TITO=PYRAMID SYSTEM=BRAINWASHED MIND=ROBOT=DEATH FOR HUMAN BEINGS WHO SHARE ONE KIN THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

Always arguiing who is correct...
Greeks are Greeks. Macedonians are Macedonians. English are English. Indians are Indians. You's get the drift yet!!!!!

Gligorov got paid to say what he said.

Since when are politicians experts in history? That's exactly the athenian nation's problem, they get their history lessons from their politicians and government, and the rest of the world laughs at their claims.

May the Macedonian nation and people live forever! Da Zhivee Makedonija!

And since when r your "historians" expert in history? by creating a fake history that is only taught at your schools? Because,yes for sure the whole world calls u Macedonia,i don't deny that whether i agree with it or not, but it is also true that the whole world knows that ancient Macedonians such as Alexander the 3rd were Greeks,spoke and wrote Greek,competed in the Olympic games where only Greeks could take place,warshiped the Greek gods of the mount Olympus which btw was located in the ancient kingdom of Macedonia,modern day Macedonia region in Greece AND most importandly self-identified themselves as Greeks which is exactly what your nation is saying right now that the Greeks are denying u to do, to self-identify yourselves.There is no evidence that the ancient Macedonian kingdom was anything else but Greek. Both our nations have been under propaganda the last years,BOTH. but history is history,written and cannot be changed. I would be really suspicious if i knew that the history i learn at school is not common to what the other countries learn. I don't want to come out strongly to u because i really have friendly feelings to your nation i just disagree with your goverments stance in raising a new generation and creating an identity whose enemy is the Greek nation.

Alexander the Great is not Greek, Hellenic the name Greece,Hellenic was created in the 1830. Macedonia has over 4000 years of History. and Greece has 179 years of History. St Paul lived in Ohrid Macedonia it said it even in the Bible. And that in it self explains that we are Macedonians.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

What stage are you athenians at in regards to us Macedonians? I reckon you guys are almost up to the 3rd stage.

May the Macedonian nation and people live forever! Da zhivee Makedonija!

Regards,
Your Macedonian friend

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