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GERMAN MEP: GREECE SHOULD BE PUNISHED



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Greece should be punished with sanctions if it blocks Macedonia's admission to NATO, German Green MEP Angelika Beer said in an interview for Deutsche Welle.

"If the veto does happen, I believe that we should consider sanctions against Greece to make it understand that it cannot bring schism in the alliance because of its own nationalist interests," Beer said.

According to Beer, the growing nationalism in Greece hampers the further expansion of NATO and poses a serious security risk.

"This dispute over Macedonia shows that some European nations started to play with very important security-political issues simply because it suits their own national interests. It is unacceptable position," Beer told Deutsche Welle.

Beer, however, hopes that Greece will quit its plan to veto Macedonia's membership in NATO given the existential and security interests in the region.


MD: Exactly, they should be punished!

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HOWEVER GERMANY'S CHANCELER ANHELA MERKEL SUPPORTED THE GREEK POSITION, THAT SKOPIA ARE NOT READY TO BE INVITED IN NATO, AS FAR AS THE DISPUTE FOR THE NAME IS NOT RESOLVED!
USA'S POSITION FAILLED AS ALSO ITALY,SPAIN,ISLAND, LUXEMBURG AND FRANCH STEPED INTO GREECE'S POSITION!
BULGARIA'S FOREIGN MINISTER SPOKEMAN, ALSO SUPPORTED GREECE'S POSITION, THAT SKOPIA ARE NOT HAVING GOOD RELATIONS WITH NEIGHTBORS IN ORDER TO BE ADMITED IN THE NATO ALLIANCE!
THIS IS THE FINAL STEP TO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT FOR THE NAME, BETWEEN SKOPIA AND ATHENS.

What really surprises me is the confidence of FYROM people on joining the NATO. I understand that Americans made them to believe that it will be very easy but in the end it is not. History proves that Americans are not reliable. There are several examples of nations that suffered from them. Greece is also a nation that suffered from American policy and it seems they learned the lesson.

did you like the veto?? punish my ass!! first you stop stealing history and national symbols of other people and then start talking!! thieves and liars!!

Show them your ass and be sure they will try to punish you!
However, this is not a good way of talking.
And also wait for the final announcement. I am sure it will mention many good things about the FYROM.

A problem that it should have been finished several years ago, continues creating problems in the region!
According to the voices of the majority of the political heads of Skopia, the name is just a geografical atribution!(the serious political heads I mean, not the guys that preside the present goverment of Skopia).
The entire world, unanimously admit that Macedonia and it's history are Greek, and that the Slaves and the other ethnicities of Skopia can be identified as partly macedonians (partly! - slavomacedonians) and the story is over!
This is what will be at the end of the history, however hard some puppets try to falsificate the facts and stress an instability in the whole area.
Let's be serious and finish this joke!

I don’t know if there is a way back.
In the last years, the government convinced the public that they are the only Macedonians in the Macedonian land. They accept nothing less than that. Monopolizing the Macedonian name and history is simply not acceptable by Greece.
So is this a dead-end? Nobody knows but the “joke” wont finish so soon.

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The name issue of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia could have been very easily sorved if the people of FYROM read some objective history and realize they should be proud of their own ancestors instead of trying to invent them!

As a young nation which aqcuired an national conscience only during the last century, they should accept the fact of them being a Slavic people who descended to the Balkans as much as 1000 years after Alexander the Great. They live in part of the Ottoman province of Macedonia, and only the area of Pelagonia belonged to the Ancient Macedonian kingdom.

Acknowledging some basic facts, and quiting absurd theories and unrealistic ambitions is the way to solve the issue, and actually bring stability in the region!!

A name such as Slavomacedonia and Slavomacedonians, would be a historically and politically accurate name(s), showing both the ethnic (racial and linguistic) and geographic characteristics of the country and the people

“if the people of FYROM read some objective history”
Sure they do. The history of the schoolbooks!
You cannot easily reject what is written in the schoolbooks. People usually don’t try to investigate beyond schoolbooks.
This also applies to Greeks.
In all nations, people are educated according to the government’s desires. Not according to the real history. This applies to the Greeks, to Slav Macedonians, to Turks, to everybody.

i can not accept as a Greek and as Macedon , a small group slavo-macedonians to monopolize the name and the history of macedonia

i forgot to say that she should drink alot of beer for sure to say such things

Thats the point michelos, the Slavomacedonians should go beyond their absurd schoolbooks, in books written by thrird parties, only then they will see things more clearly.

The same of course applies for Greeks, though in the history of Macedonia, the entire historical scientific community whether in Australia, USA or England, agree with the Greek position on the fact that Ancient Macedonians were a Greek or (in the most extreme case) Hellenized (as such an people which mixed and later fully accepted Greek traditions, religion, language etc etc and became as Greek as the Athenians or the Spartans) people.

Mrs Beer looks lesbian!!!

The nato invitation (or lack of) is not a statement of ethnicity you moranic greeks. Macedonia not entering nato (now) is not a statement that greeks are macedonian! It is a statement that the rules for assention are unfair and allows for selfishness. You can't rekindle a macedonian (greek) from 2000 years ago (if there ever was one) and make him the real macedonian today.
You guys are clearly dillusional.

You are right. But if examine who’s supported your case and who’s not, you will see that only US was on your side. France, Italy, Germany & UK were not. Did you asked yourself, why? When you expected that everybody will put pressure on the Greek side, only US did it. If you think that US and G. W. Bush is a humanitarian and tries to spread justice then I can only pity you…

Dear macedoniadaily.blog.
Why you keep in dark, rascial, fanatic area the good people of F.Y.R.O.M. Don't you see the disaster coming to your country?
Are you so blind?
Greece tries to find a solution and you appear like GIANTS that they want to "KILL", "FUCK", and (other bullshits) Greece.
Who turned you into fanatic blinds?
Look ath the other side of the wall, too.
A friend (don't harry to reject) that KNOWS everything about name issue.
See the other side, seriously:
visit
http://taxalia.blogspot.com
The most serious, informed, indepented and friendly to Macedonia, Greek blog.
Nikos

MD said, Greece should be punished.
A Beer said, "we should consider sanctions against Greece".
Easy words, but the Question is: how should Greece be punished?

Come on Nick… How you expect them to believe you just because several Greek sources support something different than they learned at school. I am sure the blog owners are not trying to mislead their people. They simply support what they believe. Don’t blame them.

I am monitoring this forum just because I want to know the other side. I know many Greeks that would never even bother to read what the others are saying and the only thing they know is to scream about “their property”. This is also applies to people from FYROM. It’s is expected, you can’t blame them for that.

Now.. about that forum… how you expect them to read all this reliable information? :D
It’s all in Greek!

Dear anonymous @ 14:52

I tell you what is dillusional... dillusional is to claim you are descendants of a people who lived 1000 years before your people came to the Balkans.

Dillusional is to put up maps of "United" Macedonia in classrooms and educate an entire generation of young people to hate their neighbour (which happens to be your major economical and trade partner). It is more paranoid, since this neighbour HAS the military abilities and superiority to march to Skopje in a matter of hours, however we do not do that, and we don't print maps with your country as part of Greece, because that is against our values, morals and civilized mentality.

Dillusional is to put the swastika on the Greek flag, when at the time when YOU were the ones who welcomed NAZIs in 1941 holding photos of Hitler and the kinf of Bulgaria, the Greek were fighting against Nazism, for Democracy and higher values. When we were getting slaughtered by the Germans, your people put up arms either on the side of the Bulgarians or the Greek communists (red fascism) in order to claim the Hellenic part of Macedonia after the Greek civil war.

It is also dillusional to draw the Greek prime minister as an SS officer, when his predesseror Mr Mitsotakis was fighting in the battle of Crete and was sentenced to death by the Nazis!!

To make the long story short, if you want to become an ally, you should realize that you should have a friendly behaviour towards your allies and stop offending them with territorial claims or historical falcifications.

I would re-state that the name SLAVOmacedonia and SLAVOmacedonians would be correct and acceptable. The sole use of the term Macedonia is offending and wrong.

http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2008/03/simple-message-to-world.html

Where is USA? Where is the NATO? Oeo? Where will be E.U.? Oeo? Now it's time to think what you have done until now. And... be more wise later, dear Slavs (former Bulgarians, etc). When you accuse Greece for "genocide" - what a joke! - and that you're "Macedonians", this will be the result always. And another thing: Think what the Albanians are ready to do to your "nation" in a while. Because you didn't create anything else but enemies...

I must declare that we Greeks don't feel hate or something like that. You have to know that, Grrek wants, really wants Slavomacedonia (sorry, no-one in Greece can call you "Macedonia") to NATO and EU and this is real. Greece ask only for a word, before your constitunional name, i.e. Slavo-macedonia, New-Macedonia, Upper-macedonia, Gorna-Macedonia, etc.
This is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, FOR YOU!!! NO-ONE CAN UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS SO TERRIBLE!
We know, what you think.
You think, YOU ARE "MACEDONIANS".
EXACTLY, the same, WE FEEL.
WE ARE (HEAR IN THESSALONIKI) MACEDONIANS, TOO.
So?
There is a road of 100 metres, that separates us.
We will run the 50 m.
You will run the other 50m.
WHAT IS SO TERRIBLE?
Is Greece's fault the most stupid ever bilboard by ATANAS BOTEV.
Greeks are very very upset, very very ungry with this madness.
Why you do that?
You want war with Greece?
Greece has 6.500 tanks. You have 30
Greece has 620 aircrafts. You have 6. But -thats weird- you want to make war to Greece!!!!!!!!
You want to offense Greek Jews, with swastika?
Are this Guy so stupid?

A Greek Friend from Salonika (not Solun - it's easy to understand why)

Macedonia has met all requirements for NATO. We will have defacto membership in a week.
Greece has shown how incredibly Childish they can be. An embarrassment. Yes Greece has little to fear from ROM but the very Macdonians under their own noses are the ones they fear. Once we are recognised in the UN as ROMacedonia they will self determine and case will be closed.
Macedonians will unite and grow stronger from this - with US backing.
The full effect of this is yet to be realized so don't pull out the greek wish list of an Albanian takeover yet, cause it won't happen.

The ''Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia'' has no connection with the Historical Macedonia of Alexander and the Greeks, since the term is used only because they live in a close geografical area of the Historical Greek Macedonia.

The present political regime, useless try to confuse their young citizens that their slavs ancestors mixed with indigenus greek macedonians,so to giustify the conflict about the name issue with Greece.

But the statements of different political officers of FYROM confirm the truth.

Indians, Persians, Afgans, Egyptians are more related to Macedonians and Greek culture than Slavs of FYROM.

a. The former President of The FYROM, Kiro Gligorov said: ";We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).

b. Also, Mr Gligorov declared: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia ...; Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).

c. On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great ...; Greece is Macedonia';s second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.";

d. On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, ";There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country."

e. Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people.";

I know the reason.
During her last visit in Greek islands, nobody wanted to fuck this bitch. (We prefer the beautiful slavic girls)

back in June 1992 Gligorov admits the truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWojHzP8dw&feature=related

• Why FYROM should not be named "Macedonia"

# FYROM's residents have no historical cultural or linguistic ties with ancient Macedonia.

# The heart of ancient Macedonia was not in the teritory which FYROM occupies but in the Greek part of Macedonia were all the major archaeological discoveries took place.

# The name "Republic of Macedonia implies a teritorial threat against Greece and other countries and it creates a great risk of renewed ethnic conflict in the Balkans.

# The area of FYROM was never called "Macedonia" before the 2nd World War. This name was given to the Southern Yugoslavian providence by General Tito aiming to create conflicts in the region and to obtain Greek and Bulgarian teritories. Before the 2nd World War FYROM was called Vardarska.

THIS SCUBBY LESBO NEEDS A GOOD FUCKING!!!

Thank you wery much for your support Ms. Angelika Beer from all the Macedonians in the world.
To "VETDINO": sorry if the Greeks are studiing their history from schoolbooks, but that is not the case with us THE MACEDONIANS. Just for your information, we are PROVING our history. Ane we have the giggest prove of all. Its called GENETIC PROVE.Here some parts of the study: "The Macedonians are one of the most ancient peoples existing in the Balkan Peninsula, probably long before arrival of the Mucaenian Greeks about 2000BC.""Macedonians are related to other Mediterraneans and do not show a close relationship with Greeks.""Much to our surprice,the reason why the Greeks did not show a close relatedness with all the other Mediterraneans analysed, was their genetic relationship with SUB-SAHARAN ethnic groups now residing ie Ethiopia, Sudan and West Africa.""Macedonians are NOT related with the geografically close Greeks, who DO NOT belong to the "older" Mediterranean substractum". Wake up! You gone to far with jour lies. 123 countries alreadu know that. Soon you will be left alone with your FAKE antient history! Good is one, and is watching over us. And for you: ANATHEMA SAS (me duo heria)!

For your information during the crucial dinner of NATO member-state
> leaders the NATO members France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Bulgaria,
> Luxemburg, Iceland and Germany stand close beside to the Greek
> position as real NATO allies ...

Alexander the Great


Basileus of Macedon, Hegemon of the Hellenic League,





Alexander the Great (Greek: Αλέξανδρος ο Μέγας or Μέγας Aλέξανδρος,[1][2] Megas Alexandros; July 20 356 BC – June 10 323 BC),[3][4][5] also known as Alexander III, was an ancient Greek[6][7][8] king (basileus) of Macedon (336–323 BC). He was one of the most successful military commanders in history, and was undefeated in battle. By the time of his death, he had conquered most of the world known to the ancient Greeks.

Following the unification of the multiple city-states of ancient Greece under the rule of his father, Philip II of Macedon (a labour Alexander had to repeat because the southern Greeks rebelled after Philip's death), Alexander conquered the Achaemenid Persian Empire, including Anatolia, Syria, Phoenicia, Judea, Gaza, Egypt, Bactria, and Mesopotamia, and extended the boundaries of his own empire as far as Punjab, India.

Prior to his death, Alexander had already made plans for military and mercantile expansions into the Arabian peninsula, after which he was to turn his armies to the west (Carthage, Rome, and the Iberian Peninsula). His original vision had been to the east, though, to the ends of the world and the Great Outer Sea, as described by his boyhood tutor Aristotle.

HISTORICAL PROVES OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT GREEK

Alexander III was born in 356 BC in Pella, capital at the time being of the Macedonian kingdom. He was son of the Macedonian king Philip II and Olympias, princess of Molossians in Epirus.

The Macedonian Royal House

The Macedonian royal house was called "Argeads" or "Temenidae". According to the tradition, the founder of the royal house Perdiccas - even if the name of the founder differs in reference with the ancient source used - along with his brothers, the "Temenidae" came to the place called Macedonia from the Greek city of Argos. These Temenidae were descendants of Heracles, through Temenus, thus they were called also 'Heracleids'.

Since the time of Alexander I, who was better known as the "Philhellene", Macedonian kings participated in Olympic games, which as we all know only Greeks could take part. The Argive origin of the Macedonian royal house was well-attested and widely believed both from Macedonians, as well as the rest of Greeks. Rifles like the political intricasies of Demosthenes against Philip is the tenuous exception to the general rule.

VETO in the plans of The FYROM integration in the European Union and the NATO. ...

FYROM: The area of FYROM in known as Paionia in ancient years and todays Vardarska. The newly Slavic Nation came in area in 600 A.D. and 1000 years later of Alexander's The Great dead. Till 1944 this nation don't claim anything about Macedonia's Greek name but that happen with Tito idea for Slavic nation to expansion in Aegean and from cold seas of Russia to access the hot seas. Overview, this slavic nation came in area in 6th century and till 1944 is known as Yugoslavian Province with the name of Vardarska. In 1944 Yugoslavian Tito turn to make a propaganda against Macedonia. The fast made of New (Slavic-Bulgarian) FYROM Language. That language include 80% bulgarians and 20% slavics. After the break of Yugoslavia in 1992 the FYROM born and the first FYROM's president said:

February 26, 1992: The FYROM's President Kirov Gligorov, at an interview by the Foreign Information Service daily report, Eastern Europe, stated: "We are Slavs, who came to the region in the sixth century. We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.

Note that the present newly nation of FYROM don't take a part in Balkan wars and at that time they are Slavs.

FYROM want to stole the Greek History in the case that this is the only way of them to survive in Area.

FYROM population and statistics:

2.200.000 millions TOTAL

1.000.000 FYROMIANS (Slavic-Bulgarians)
900.000 Albanians
200.000 Greeks
50.000 Serbians
50.000 Turkish

In 1993 FYROM force Albanians and Greeks to sign as FYROMians or something else like Slavs or Romanians under terror.

Todays political party of FYROM was a terrorist Bulgarian organization in Balkan wars, today is exist a political party in Bulgaria with many years of history with this name and at same time created a new one in FYROM with the same bulgarian historic name but on the same way that they don't have any contact each others.

In FYROM there are NO human rights...

Bulgaria SUPPORT the Greek Veto in Romania's meeting of NATO.

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
[FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

stop lying fake macedonians

MENENDEZ, OBAMA AND SNOWE TAKE TO U.S. SENATE EFFORT TO END FYROM HOSTILE AND IRREDENTIST PROPAGANDA AGAINST GREECE

Rep. Maloney on Possible NATO Expansion

Rep. Maloney on Possible NATO Expansion

to Include FYROM



Washington, D.C. – Congresswoman Carolyn B. Maloney (D-NY) yesterday delivered a statement on the floor of the House of Representatives expressing her view that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) must cease using the name “Republic of Macedonia,” adopt a name mutually acceptable to both countries, and end its use of propaganda before it is admitted to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Rep. Maloney, Co-Chair of the Congressional Caucus on Hellenic Issues, also said that the “negotiation process among representatives from Greece and the FYROM should continue, and I hope that a settlement can be reached soon.”



The full text of Maloney�s remarks follows.





Representative Carolyn B. Maloney (NY-14)

April 1, 2008



Madam Speaker, I rise today to discuss the name dispute between Greece and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).



As a founder and co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on Hellenic Issues, this issue is of tremendous importance to me. All historical and archaeological evidence demonstrates that the ancient Macedonians were Greek. Macedonia is a Greek name that has designated the northern area of Greece for 2,500 years.



In 1944, the name of the Skopje region was changed to Macedonia as part of Tito s imperialist campaign to gain control of the Greek province of Macedonia. The United States opposed Tito s use of the name Macedonia at that time. However, in November 2004, unilaterally and without warning, the Administration decided to recognize the FYROM as Macedonia.



I was shocked and disappointed that the White House went against prior U.S. policy to recognize the FYROM as Macedonia just two days after the 2004 U.S. presidential election and before talks were completed among the nations most directly affected by the outcome. Along with former Representative Michael Bilirakis, we and sixty-eight of our colleagues sent a letter to former Secretary of State Colin Powell expressing our concerns with this decision and requesting that the State Department return to the longstanding policy of referring to the FYROM as such. I also organized a meeting with the American ambassador to discuss the situation.



I believe that the name Macedonia properly belongs to Greek culture and therefore should not be used by any other country. Greek Macedonia is one of the oldest civilizations known to man and the history of this name should be recognized and respected.

I, along with Representatives Bilirakis, Sarbanes, and Space, have introduced legislation, H. Res. 356, which expresses the sense of the House of Representatives that the FYROM should stop the utilization of materials that violate provisions of the UN-brokered Interim Agreement between the FYROM and Greece regarding hostile activities or propaganda and should work with the United Nations and Greece to achieve longstanding United States and United Nations policy goals of finding a mutually-acceptable official name for the FYROM. This bipartisan resolution has 114 cosponsors.



Just this week a billboard was erected in Skopje that depicts the Greek flag with a swastika in place of the Cross. This is just another example of the propaganda that is being perpetrated against Greek culture in the FYROM. Textbooks used in schools contain maps showing the boundaries of a larger Macedonia that include parts of Greece. Additionally, the government has minted currency showing The White Tower of Thessaloniki. This unacceptable irredentist propaganda must come to an end.

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
Quote from FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov.
(from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe,
February 26, 1992, p. 35. )

22 January 1999: FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. At the end of her speech answering questions Mrs. Acevshka said:
"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great." "Greece is FYROM'S second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nimitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."

BRAINWASHED CHILDREN IN FYROM'S HIGH SCHOOLS



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTUqfuTbk_s&feature=related

Lets watch the Moovie ...together



Alexander says :

For The Freedom And Glory Of Greece!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuSCAzIU76o

Skopians Stop .... to try to brain-wash the entire world .... (as you do in your schools) with your propaganda..."which is based to historical facts" everyone who had studied ancient history is laughing with you... stop saying that GREEKS ARE MORE RELATED (GENETICALLY) TO A SUB-SAHARAN ... MORE THAN A EUROPEAN... ITS ...A FUNNY AND STUPID THEORY !!!


And i want to give you an advise...
study ancient history of Macedonia
before try to claim that is yours !!!

when you come to Greece for a vacation take a visit to Vergina or any other archaiological place just to see it .... for a change
this will give you a "clue" about the true "macedonian" language... A GREEK dialect

and not a bulgarian dialect...as your language


Greece had an obligation to it's 2.500.000 people ... who live in the north part of the country which are GREEK and also Macedonians
to put a Veto

History ... is written by facts
anyone who will try to rewrite it will eventually fail !!!

Identity theft is a crime
Either you want it or not your
"History" is still under construction !!!!

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