VICE PREMIER BOCEVSKI AT EU PARLIAMENT SESSION
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"I am from Macedonia and I won't define myself in any other way than being Macedonian, stressed Vice Premier responsible for EU affairs Ivica Bocevski, responding to a Greek MEP at a session of European Parliament's Committee on Foreign Affairs."
Responding to MEP's remark that Macedonia should demonstrate greater willingness for compromise with regard to the name row, Bocevski said the country thus far had made several concessions on the matter.
- Macedonia has accepted to be called under an acronym, it was under economic blockades, changed its flag, the Constitution and in spite of all that Macedonia remains dedicated to the EU integration. One should ask which country is more willing to make a compromise and to make progress, said the Vice PM, who delivered an address on Tuesday before the Committee.
He noted the word consensus meant finding fair and mutually acceptable solution that wouldn't harm the country's identity.
- The Republic of Macedonia is fully committed to the EU integration process and the country has political and administrative capacity to kick off membership talks, stressed Bocevski.
German MEP Bernd Posselt had an opening statement on Macedonia's progress in the EU. He expressed his disappointment and disbelief by the way Macedonia had been treated by the European Union.
-I am not happy with the work of the European Council. If I were to summarize any activities I would say I am disappointed with three things. I strongly disagree with the European Council's report on Macedonia's election. In 99% of Macedonia's electoral votes, the voting passed European standards, yet the country was given harsh report because of incidents among minorities in few tiny villages. Because of few villages we are punishing the whole country, says Bernd Posselt.
Posselt made a note on the way the European Union behaves towards the Macedonian Government. "An overwhelming majority of Macedonians and minorities support the Government, yet for any single individual from the opposition who boycotts parliament we go up in arms? Are we looking for something, anything to punish Macedonia?" asked Posselt.
The German MEP also expressed strong disagreement with the EC report on Macedonia's progress towards the EU. Bernd Posselt saw the progress as 'not realistic' and 'very harsh', adding that Macedonia is more fit to be a EU member than some current EU members. The leader of the Greens, Angelika Beer agreed with Posselt, accusing nationalistic Greece of causing problems in the region.
Slovenian MEP Jelko Kacin stated that EU had double standards given the fact that when it came to the status of any Western Balkans candidate country, deadlines were being set when something needed to be completed, whereas for Macedonia "it is impossible to set a date when something needs to start."
He stressed both Macedonia and Greece were very close to reaching a resolution, emphasizing that no one had the right to condition someone about his/hers national identity.
- When I talk about the language, I have the right for self-determination, when I talk about my affiliation I have the sole right to say who I am, what I am and how I feel. If someone wants to debate the name of my country that's fine, but the other two issues cannot be a subject of a debate, noted Kacin.
According to the MEP, a concrete date must be set for resolving the name dispute. He said that the best option was a date to be set by the three international subjects - the United Nations, EU and NATO, whereas the affected sides - Macedonia and Greece - to accept it, which is unlikely in near future.
[Makfax]
THE SLAVMACS CANNOT BE PART OF THE BIG EUROPEAN FAMILY!
Comment by Stig Torben Johansen 2008/04/12 at 12:22:12
Richard
Some time back I used to share some of your thoughts.
Not any longer!
I have to say straight away that I strongly now accept that the Greeks have a very valid case!
And I have every reason to believe that most of the upper echelons of Europe fundamentally share this position too! The final communiqué of recent NATO's summit wasn't the result of Greece pressure and all those involved in these knows perfectly well what I am speaking about.
And I suppose it's not rocket science to see why I and others have our changed position. Look in detail how and what the SlvMacs say here! Pay particular attention to the explicit RACIST Connotations openly expressed. Look at their unfounded megalomania! And it's all right if the funny bloke in the Streets of Skopje says so! You may smile and carry on. But Richard these kinds of things go on in much higher places in there! Speaking with officials holding very responsible places I have heard similar things:
How 'historically' is proven beyond reasonable doubt the direct lineage of present day SlavMacs to Alexander the Great. When I questioned them why all Ancient Macedonian always had written in Greek the answer comes back due to the fact they say the Ancient Macedonian knew foreign languages!!!!!!They do believe this cr..p Richard! They do!!!!And when they are probed why such an important civilisation never left a trace of their supposedly own different language they say that they are searching….Still haven't found anything!! LOL. So much so for their Great Macedonian Heritage!!! But they go on and on with this Megalomania which to my opinion would have reached Nazi proportions if it wasn't for their pathetic size and power base! If this wasn't the Balkans one could had stay to the amusing side of things but we have to be extra careful here and we should not allow this fanatical and unfounded behaviour of them to go on any longer!
Their Bulgarian ancestry is another of the much publicised case! You have seen the idiotic answers they give. They speak of Asian and African people with the most debasing of words! Yet they cannot answer straight elementary and basic questions as those posed by Todor! Their Genetic 'studies' proving that the Greeks are Ethiopians is not only an idiotic attempt to prove that the Greeks have no Relation to Hellenes but also speaks volumes of what they think of Africans or the niggers as they routinely referred them! What they are doing with Greek history and heritage is mirrored to what they are doing with Bulgarians. How on earth they mix Bulgarian and Greek history is beyond me and I think to any other sane person in the world! Especially when they claim that both belong to them in the first place!!!!!!!!
Their claims on Human rights are another one of their spurious beliefs. These very people are the 'champions' of the millions of oppressed 'Macedonians' beyond their borders yet they denied basic human rights to all those SlavMacs that happened to be gays, forcefully 'persuade' all those who want to declare themselves ethnically Bulgarians within their borders its not 'wise' to say so! And I haven't spoken about the Albanians yet!
It is well known truth that many Slavmacs that lived in Greece openly collaborated with the Nazis during WW". There are images and there are documents. They have committed well documented atrocities towards the Greek population during the time of Occupation. Particularly towards those Greeks who were refuges from Asia Minor after the 1922 exchange of population between Greece and Turkey. Even today the Slavmacs simply hate this strand of Greeks even though these people came from Hellenistic centres of the East where Ancient Macedonian presence is well documented. Hence these unfortunate people may be the more Macedonians of the lot! Anyway when the fortunes of WW2 changed, all those Slavmacs to save their skins turned communist and under Tito's guidance and support wanted to take the whole Greek Macedonia. Quite naturally Greece resisted and when the fate of their 'experiment' went pear shaped they left Greece to avoid the punishment coming. These were testing times for whole Europe. The numbers involved for those who escaped were of the order of 20-30,000 but quite obviously not the millions they claim. Nor what is left back in Greece are of any significance! Around 10,000 at most! They even now have a political party there called Vino Zito that never managed to get more than few thousands votes (5,000 ?) even though their political agenda was clearly this of 'oppressed Macedonians' . It is also amusing to see in the leadership of Vinho Zito Mr Voskopoulos has a cousin who is district governor of Florina and openly declares himself a Greek as well as Mr Lithoxou who as he says is of Greek- Albanian extraction. Mr Nekratzas another one of theirs is clearly a Greek Refuge from Asia Minor ie one of their supposedly arch enemies! If they were the millions oppressed I am sure you would have seen scenes of Tibet's proportions in the streets of Thessaloniki! So their paranoia on this respect is well substantiated.
It is also funny that all that all those SlavMacs could obtain unlimited access to the Greek Macedonia if they join the EU! And all the obstacles their stubborn and unreasonable behaviour is placing to this path makes us wonder if what they want is civilised access to the Greek Macedonia or creating the framework to claim it as rightfully theirs! We have to be very careful when we express support to them as so far has been translated as an open endorsement of their fantasies.
Richard we are all somehow genetically mixed! The same applies to the old or the moderns. When man meets a woman the outcome is mixed!!! Yet we have no problem to assume and accept direct linage to our respective Cultures and Heritages like English, German, Spanish, Scotish etc. And we cannot mix them in aspects that are clearly different. And we all find it irritating when an imposter tries to claim our heritage as theirs. This is the case of Greeks with the Slavmacs. And the reason is not their love of the past but their desire to grab the Greek Lands somehow, sometime in the future! Look at the maps of the 'United Macedonia' they are openly promoting! 30% of modern Greece falls within their supposedly 'ethnic' lands domain. Are we to blame the Greeks for openly declaring this to be a Slavmac expansion claim! Few days back a Vodka company did an adv campaign in the US showing a map with half the USA lands as part of Mexico. A huge uproar resulted and the adv was promptly withdrawn. Imagine is this map was not published by a Vodka Company but by the Mexican Government! I am sure the F16 would had sent rolling, Not the well mannered legal Greek objections!
We don't know the origins of Ancient Macedonian! We cannot be for sure who they really were and were they came from! But the evidence we have is that they were integral parts of the Hellenic civilisation and they spread Hellenic ideals to the world they knew! They were no doubt mixed with others! But these others in turns espoused the Hellenic Civilisation! The Greeks of today have every right to feel the continuation of the Hellenic world! Not because their blood is purely Hellenic but because of their Cultural direct linage and because a pure blood is a term with no meaning! SlavMacs are clearly basically Slavs! They have no connection to the Ancient Macedonian Heritage! They can admire the Classical Helenic Civilisation of Macedonia as much as they like in the same way that anyone one of us can do! But to consider it theirs is just a smoke screen of Expansion and nothing else!
And all of us rather than cuddling the beast and pondering opening the Pandora's Box we should clearly and loudly voice our objections and affirm our justified stance that Greeks are Greeks, Bulgarians are Bulgarians, Albanians are Albanians and Slav Macs are Macedonians only by Geography!
και ακόμη
Well Richard if there is plenty of evidence that few present-day inhabitants are directly descended from the Ancient Greeks then I am sure you will agree that there is no evidence whatsoever that present day FYROMers have any relation with the Macedonians and that the vast evidence that the latter were part of the Hellenic World! Hence all this hot air about connecting FYROMers with Ancient Macedonians is cheap low level charlatanism for the village idiots! Of course we don't know the DNA structure of Ancient Greece to decide, and even if we had it you will see that the Ancient Greeks throughout the Classical Period were not as pure as we assume so asking the same for the modern is damn redundant! Nor the relation of AngloSaxon with the Basques will make the latter claiming Shakespeare or Henry Elisabeth and Nelson. Nor this implies that the present Day English are less English than the older! So here you have it! We are all Humans after all and we all relate one another somehow sometimes! Genetic research is largely irrelevant in judging Cultural and Political matters. The last time the issue was raised in the present day context was in the days of the Nazi-Aryans! The only one can claim purity in racial terms (the same you ask for present day Greeks) are few Horses in the Stables. Even Royal Houses are mixed and many bastards there exist too! The issue here is Civilisation and we have to be content that present Day Greeks are as Greeks as it can be! And in the same context FYROMers are basically Slavs without any connection nor any rights for their childish Macedonism as this somehow been part of their cultural inheritance even though they appear 1000 years after this Classical Period! I thought we had moved a bit from the Dark Ages and we can see white from the black!
My thesis is that all these I say are fairly trivial and the only validity in this context is that FYROMers deploy all these spurious historical or genetic arguments because fundamentally they think that the whole Macedonia is their exclusive domain! This is as historically unfounded as it is dangerous and needs to be addressed. Also their Human Right cries are entirely chaff as the case they are advancing is fundamentally baseless and flawed and their own Human Rights record back home is plainly appalling even though they have only 20 years of lifetime as a sovereign country!
Hence once again I feel that the Greeks are entirely right to act the way they are! As far as I am concerned they have my full support and I am sure that others feel this way once we understood the case and the arguments involved a bit better!
End of story.
Posted by
Anonymous |
22:36
Another christian turkish cut-and-paste job. Learn about your own turkish family history before you try to steal someone else's history.
Da zhivee Makedonija!
Posted by
Anonymous |
05:06
A NEW PROPOSAL ABOUT THE NAME OF THE FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF BANOVINA VARDASKA:
Seeing the love of this new State and it's fabulous adorable and sofisticated cultured CITIZENS and FRIENDS (first of all!),
about the MACEDONIAN CULTURE OF GREECE,
and the desire to feel Greeks, we MACEDONIANS offer to the Slavobulgarian friends the HALF of our NAME -CEDONIA (the bigger half!)
(we just keep a sillabe MA- as this ma- is the very essence of our greek beings...)
and you UNIT the first part of your ex official name VAR-DASKA , so that you have a Beautiful, Historical, Original and Glamorous name, all YOURS:
VARCEDONIA!
A wonderful compromise with a BIG gift from your MACEDONIAN friends of GREECE.
We Macedonians are famous for our GENEROSITY! So the major part of the NAME is a special OFFER for you, beloved SLAVΟBULGARIAN FRIENDS!
A new CIVILISATION has been born AGAIN!
Your GLORIOUS HISTORY of VAR and CEDONIA will bring WISDOM in this small PLANET!
VIVA VARCEDONIAN FRIENDS!!!
(And as a special BONUS gift we give at GRUEVSKI and MILOSOSKI a FREE membership entry card to the EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT!)
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00:05
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