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GRUEVSKI WITH LETTER TO KARAMANLIS



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Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski wrote a letter to his Greek counterpart Costas Karamanlis, urging recognition of Macedonian minority and settlement of the issues related to Macedonian refugees of the civil war in Greece.

Prime Minister-designate calls for extra efforts by Greek authorities to recognize the Macedonian minority in Greece, who should be entitled to the basic human rights in line with the international standards on mother tongue education (Macedonian), cherish cultural traditions and customs though various forms of organization, use of Macedonian language in local institutions.

Gruevski singles out a problem stemming from Greece's civil war, when hundreds of thousands of people (most of them ethnic Macedonians) fled the country.
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These people, who were born in Greece and now are citizens of the Republic of Macedonia, are subjected to triple discrimination: they cannot reclaim their assets, they face serious obstacles when entering Greece, and they are not entitled to acquire a dual citizenship - Macedonian and Greek though they had been born and brought-up in Greece," Gruevski said in the letter


MD: Good move! Karamanlis will likely respond to the letter by the end of this week.

[Makfax]

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* Interesting development, the show keeps getting better :-).
* Question: How does Gruevski's letter square with the Constitution of the Republika Makedonija? Article 49:
... the Republic will not interfere in the sovereign rights of other states or in their internal affairs." Surely this is direct interence into internal Greek affairs.
* Indeed, it will be interesting how a the Greek PM, who like other members of his government, is a declared Macedonian, will respond.

First and foremost, don't hold your breath for a direct reply by the Greek PM. His reply is coming through the U.N. Second, a minority? Where are they? How many are they? What constitutes a minority? Sadly for Skopje, this is your last card. The U.S., your only significant ally, has abandoned you. Now Gruevski, who himself descends from northern Greece, is getting terrible advice. Advice which will certainly derail the Nimetz negotiations and will leave Skopje to it's ill-fated, bleak future. No NATO. No EU. Skopje, your days are numbered.

If EU and Nato gives us days to live that we are all in serious trouble.Nato and EU are organisations led by political mafia that are only interested in making money and getting power.They invent their rules so the other small countries will follow,they ofcourse dont.Macedonia will never get into EU or Nato as long as Greece is a member and blackmailing folk for its own selfish reasons.And that we can except.
But that is surely not an end to a small but proud Macedonia.Maybe we are not strong and powerfull but we are smart and we will develop our beautiful country slowly and steadly and one day we will enjoy the world that we built for us.And right now that is enought for us.Macedonia is not on sale.

FYROM has been on the selling block since the day the former Yugoslavia broke up. The high bidder was George Soros and his thugs. You are anything but smart. You stole your name, your language and your history from your neighbors. That is not smart and it's certainly not anything to be proud of. The EU and NATO were your only hope for stability. Your threats are not your neighbors, but your own citizens. Ahmeti and his Albanians are ready to erupt. Those thugs that own your asses are giving your leaders very bad advice. And those leaders are selling you out. We tried to warn you. Now all we can do is watch you self destruct.

Am I watching a movie? Do I hear prophets speaking? Wooww!!

Somewhat I agree with the anonymous post. There is no reason for NATO to exist. USSR is no more so NATO should be no more. So, yes, it’s a kind of mafia for blackmailing smaller countries. We, Greece, is among them and we paid the price many times. EU? In my opinion is something different and, hopefully, it will get better. We, Greece, saw many good things (and few bad) from our participation in EU, and so you will, when you participate (you will, I am sure).

Nobody can tell what will be the cost for your participation. Currently, it looks like we have to solve the name issue before your entrance. But we had chances to solve it before many years. I don’t expect too much for the moment.

It is not as stupid as it looks like. I dont know the exact content of the letter but whatever the name, some population, lets call it 'a population', has been displaced by the Greeks in 1948. This is a fact few will contest outside Greece. The nationalist reaction of the Greecs will be considered by most as a deny of this, and will weaken the objectiveness of the Greek position. IMHO, Greeks are not smarter than MK, they are just much more powerful.

If the Greek politics were smart enough, there would be no FYROM country. There would be something without the word Macedonia inside it. So, I am very much afraid of our stupid politicians!

The good news is that FYROM's politicians are not smarter either!

* Many Greeks accept the existance of an indigenous Slavomacedonian minority in their Macedonian province; that they were persecuted with other Greeks by Athens. Even with articles in the center right newspaper Kathimerini. That they have their own traditions, dialects.
* But I have never come across anyone from FYR Makedonija or its diaspora, or amongst its politicians who accepts that Greece has a province called Macedonia, who will state that over 95% of its Greek inhabitants are Macedonians.
* So we can conclude that it is the Makedonce who refuse recognition, not the Greeks or the Macedonian Greeks.

Cyrano,

No one was displaced by the Greeks in 1948. There were communists who fought on the losing side in Greece's civil war and subsequently had to leave. Others stayed. After the atrocities they committed against innocent people they should all have been hanged instead. Most of the ones who left in 1948-49 were slavophones who had been previously brain-washed by their communist elite that they were indeed a different nationality. Their offspring are now governing FYROM.

GIALTOURIDIS SAME OLD FUCKEN BULLSHIT; GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL.



CHANGE THE SAME OLD SONG THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SICK OF THE SAME OLD TUNE#########################

Hey Anonymous, get what facts right? Why don't you tell us the real facts? Until you do, you cock-sucking son of a bitch, you're the one full of shit.

Same old tune? It's history shit head. If you open up a history book and read it over and over, guess what? It doesn't change. Stupid fuck.

Excerpts from PM Karamanlis' reply.

"Mr. Prime Minister, your letter far from promoting the negotiations and the good neighbourly relations with my country raises a number of non-existent and unsubstantiated issues that militate against the strenuous efforts made by Greece .It also aims at interfering in the domestic affairs of a neighbouring state and deviates from the objectives of the ongoing negotiations."

" There is no "Macedonian" minority in Greece. There never has been. In this respect, any allegations regarding the existence of such a minority are totally unfounded, politically motivated and disrespectful of the historic realities of the Region. As for any properties issue, any individual could make use of any legal recourse before the Courts, including the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg."

See you in court Skopjians, if you got the balls. And if you're really stupid, we'll see you on the battlefield. All you have to do is take the first shot.

Gialtouridis- You are a mother fucking bullshitting aniaml GREEK GREEK GREEK thats all you fucken go on about. You go and check fucken check your non fucken Greek fucken history fucken books you fucken cock sucking greek there is other countries aprt from Greece fuck off this site or you will be blocked??????????

And I'm the fuckin animal? You are even too stupid to curse, you cocksocket. All that dick up your ass made you forget your own name. You gonna block me? You son of a whore's cunt. Do you know what the word "constructive" means? Can you handle a discussion? Or are you just too stupid to converse with human beings?

GIALTOURIDIS-TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK WHEN MADCEODIANS DO, IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HEAT IN THE KITCHEN GET OUT. YOUR MAMA SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU THAT. IF YOU CAN'T LISTEN TO OTHER VIEWS GO BACK TO YOUR ONE SIDED GREEK REPORTERS AND POLLITICANS.

GIALTOURIDIS-TAKE A BREAK AND COME BACK WHEN MADCEODIANS DO, IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HEAT IN THE KITCHEN GET OUT. YOUR MAMA SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU THAT. IF YOU CAN'T LISTEN TO OTHER VIEWS GO BACK TO YOUR ONE SIDED GREEK REPORTERS AND POLLITICANS.

LOL...

This website has become a joke by allowing Greeks to write abuse all over it.

To the moderators, ban leaving comments on the articles and just post the articles.

Don't you foul mouthed greeks have your own 'intelligent' newspapers to read...or if you non-humans accuse Macedonians of being stupid...why do you constantly read our news?

On a recent trip to Kukush and Lerin I enjoyed speaking Macedonian to a large number of locals.

Bring on 2012!

2012? Are you waiting for the Bucharest Treaty to expire? You stupid fuck. You believe that bullshit? Stop sucking all that dick, Cock-ush academic.

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