THE “OATH”

OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT

(OPIS, 324 BC)



“IT IS MY WISH, NOW THAT WARS ARE COMING TO AN END, THAT YOU SHOULD ALL BE HAPPY IN PEACE. FROM NOW ON, LET ALL MORTALS LIVE AS ONE PEOPLE, IN FELLOWSHIP, FOR THE GOOD OF ALL. SEE THE WHOLE WORLD AS YOUR HOMELAND, WITH LAWS COMMON TO ALL, WHERE THE BEST WILL GOVERN REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE. UNLIKE THE NARROWMINDED, I MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN GREEKS AND BARBARIANS. THE ORIGIN OF CITIZENS, OR THE RACE INTO WHICH THEY WERE BORN, IS OF NO CONCERN TO ME. I HAVE ONLY ONE CRITERION BY WHICH TO DISTINGUISH THEM VIRTUE.

FOR ME, ANY GOOD FOREIGNER IS A GREEK AND ANY BAD GREEK IS WORSE THAN A BARBARIAN. IF DISPUTES EVER OCCUR AMONG YOU, YOU WILL NOT RESORT TO WEAPONS BUT WILL SOLVE THEM IN PEACE. IF NEED BE, I SHALL ARBITRATE BETWEEN YOU. SEE GOD NOT AS AN AUTOCRATIC DESPOT, BUT AS THE COMMON FATHER OF ALL AND THUS YOUR CONDUCT WILL BE LIKE THE LIVES OF BROTHERS WITHIN THE SAME FAMILY. I, ON MY PART, SEE YOU ALL AS EQUAL, WHETHER YOU ARE WHITE OR DARK-SKINNED. AND I SHOULD LIKE YOU NOT SIMPLY TO BE SUBJECTS OF MY COMMONWEALTH, BUT MEMBERS OF IT, PARTNERS OF IT. TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, I SHALL STRIVE TO DO WHAT I HAVE PROMISED. KEEP AS A SYMBOL OF LOVE THIS OATH WHICH WE HAVE TAKEN TONIGHT WITH OUR LIBATIONS”.

BTW,

I thought you monkeys called it Kutlesh.

What's up with that?

Let's see. Kutlesh on Fifth Avenue. Now I understand. Stick with Vergina.

What's up with the Italian menu? Not even a Macedonian salad?

gailturd,

I love seeing you arvanitovlachs squirm when we Macedonians promote ourselves. Like the Macedonia-Timeless commercial, and how you monkeys think we're using athenian artefacts HAHAHA! FYI all artefacts portrayed in that commmercial were unearthed in the Republic of Macedonia you dweeb! Also, I've noticed that there is a tiny fragment of brains in the athenian historians, as a bunch of them are against erecting a statue of Alexander of Macedon in the capital of yunanistan - athens. Those athenian historians are correct, he entered athens as a conquerer, an enemy. It seems that it is getting harder to cover up your lies these days. Keep it up, it makes our job of defending ourselves against stupidity from you arvanitovlachs easier.

PS. Even Vergina has more meaning in Macedonian than in athenian.

Back to the drawing board majmun.

Regards,
Your Macedonian friend

BTW,

did even one of those artifacts have writing on them that wasn't Greek? Just curious.

So, gailturd, your argument is that language = ethnicity, am i right? This argument would tell us that you are nothing other than an englishman, as you communicate in english. Flawed avarnitovlach logic. And btw, this ancient koine language is different to the modern yunanistan language. You may be able to recognize it, but the ancient language is not used in today's arvanitovlach language. This is evident by the different words used in each language to describe the same things.

And, nobody was 'greek' before 1820's-1830's. This is a modern creation. The arvanitovlachs are not a continuation of the ancient hellenes. This is evident in the fact that when yunanistan was formed in 1830, the predominant race of athens was albanian. There was even a huge chance that the albanian language was to be used as the official language. Look it up yourself.

So back to your tourkospore lair you majmun, and return with a better argument, instead of reciting lightweight arguments that can be picked apart by a 5 year old.

PS. Give my regards to Queen Elizabeth of England you silly englishman

Pozdrav (Greetings),
Your Macedonian friend

Please flip the cassette over. It's the same ol' same ol' over and over again. Some bullshit story that one of you monkeys created about Albanians. I refuted it along with all the other crap you write but it's like you can't read. All you can do is write the shit you were fed. How many times do I have to explain to you the origins of the words Greek, Hellene and Makedon? Are you that stupid? Or you just insist on writing the same bullshit hoping a few more monkeys will read it and believe it?

Graekos was son of Thessalos and great grandson of Pelasgos.

Hellen was the first-born son of Deukalion.

Greece was subdivided into four regions which were alloted to Hellen:

Graecia, Makedonia, Hellas and Magnesia.

Gailturd,

The only one writing bullshit is you, my arvanitovlach friend. HIstorians have written about the formation of the modern nation of yunanistan, and have clearly stated that the majority of the population didn't know this athenian language.

- When King Otto of Bavaria came to Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy."

A dead language (koine) was resurrected and was forced down the throats of the many races that inhabited athenialand, be it vlachs, albanians, turks, armenians, jews, Macedonians, bulgars. So, you 'pure hellenes' had to learn your own language.

And spare me your tourkospore myths about how you believe you are 'greeks'. There was no such nation EVER before the 1830's. This is a cold hard fact you majmun.

Embrace your mongrel roots

Regards,
Your Macedonian friend

Hey Einstein, that Otto quote, can you give me a reference as to where I can find it? I sort of don't trust you. You know, a credible reference where I can read it with my own eyes. Remember, credible, not the kind bullshit you're used to reading.

gailturd,

I could care less if you believe me or not. It is you, tourkospore, who has to live with the fact that your background as a people is made up of a hotch potch of races. Basically, you are a mongrel. Look up anything from H.N.Brailsford, F.W Walbank, Michael Herzfeld, Thanos Veremis, Nigel Wilson, Yannis Hamilakis, Katerina Zacharia just to name a few. As you can see, no authors you can claim to be biased. There are even athenian authors who write about yunanistan's modern creation. You are a bunch of frauds, and the truth is seeping out for the world to see.

And do your own research, I'm not going around looking up info for you. It's your background you have to defend. We know what we are - Macedonian. We Macedonians have done our research, and the result doesn't look too good for you arvanitovlachs...

Embrace your mongrel roots you monkey

Pozdrav (Greetings),
Your Macedonian friend

Don't worry gailturd, i don't expect you to know any of the above authors' works, as many of them are not arvanitovlachs or tourkospores, as that's the only rubbish you subscribe to. But if you have the energy to put your turkish coffee down and do some research into your own family background, the truth will hit you in the face, hard!

I believe we Macedonians are slowly winning this absurd 'athenian created name issue', but you are too 'greek' to realize it. Ignorant fools...

Pozdrav,
Your Macedonian friend

Oh I did try to find that Otto quote. It's not popping up. Perhaps it's something you monkeys made up and then you yourselves believe it. Monkey see, monkey do. You see, dirtbag, the way it goes is like this: You claim something, you back it up with a credible reference. Otherwise, it's bullshit. And you should know all about bullshit cause you're so full of it it's coming out of your ears.

gailturd,

It seems that you are running out of argument. I have backed it up. I posted the names of the authors from which the quote came from. If you are too stupid to know how to do your research, that is your business monkey boy. I know your arvanitovlach strategy - if it isn't written in the arvanitovlach language, it isn't official LOL. My answer to that is - I don't accept evidence from an arvanitovlach source because they all have an agenda - a tourkospore agenda.

The information about the creation of a mongrel nation (yunanistan) exists, and can be found quite easily. And I love the fact that you cannot claim them to be biased, as they are written by authors who have nothing to do with either nation, be it Macedonia or yunanistan.

Go do your research monkey boy. Or just ask your parents/grandparents why they still speak a language other than athenian at home, without having to learn it.

I look forward to continue to destroy your myths in the future you monkey.

Pozdrav,
Your Macedonian friend

the word thressalonik was from the the ancient thressilians that came to the region of Macedonia under the roman empire rule thay named it thress.

Wrong monkey boy, i didn't make it up. If you were bothered to do any research you would have found that the quote was written by a fellow arvanitovlach by the name of Zaharias Papantoniou. It was not written by a 'skopian' so take it up with your arvanitovlach kinsmen.

You pseudohellenes are great liars. You cannot trace your history prior to the 1800's, but yet you claim connection with the ancients. Your whole society is built upon lies, and if only one lie is uncovered your whole existence may crumble. That is why your government covers up any existence of minority groups. But how long can they keep the charade going?

Embrace your mongrel roots you monkey. This is the begining of the end of your lies.

Greetings,
Your Macedonian friend

Now you don't want me reading everything this Papantoniou guy wrote, do you? Why don't you just tell me which book or article of his you're referring to so we can narrow it down. Maybe even a page number? That would really help. Now be a good boy and offer that information.

I've given you enough info, you'll have to do your own research mongrel. I'm happy and convinced with the research i've done about you arvanitovlachs, and encourage you to do the same. You may find some interesting things about yourself and where you originated from.

Your lies are crumbling. It is written.

Regards,
Your Macedonian friend

You guys love debating about historical issues. Lets hope all non biased records and views travel to the rest of the world.
I am neither Greek or Macedonian.

Where I come from Australia everything is Greek because they are in the local and federal government. Macedonians are a smaller population who need more of there views put forward for others to see or hear.
Most Australians don't know Macedonians point of view.

Fair go for all needs to be implemented to them as well as all Australians no matter what their origin is.

They also need to come out from the closets and vice themselves.

voice oops

The reason these Macedonian wannabes can't voice themselves is because in their first sentence they'll show their true colors.

And if you know so much about them, why don't you tell us?

I can also sit here and write anonymously that I'm some aborigine and I support these pseudomacedonians and that they should voice themselves.

Present some arguments people with references that back you up. The rest is bullshit and all of you know it!

Sorry to burst your turkish bubble gailturd, but i'm not lying. You didn't catch me out tourkospore, as I've not lied about anything. Your typical yunanistan approach is to accuse us Macedonians of the very thing you arvanitovlachs are doing - lying. I encourage you to look at Zaharias Papantoniou's work on King Otto, but you refuse to do this, probably fearing that you will read something you cannot accept - the truth.

You have lightweight arguments gailturd. Arguments that cannot be proven. This is your only firepower, and it's piss weak!.

To the neutral guy: It is the arvanitovlachs who constantly point to ancient history to try and create an argument. They realize that they have nothing on us Macedonians with regards to modern history, and only use an ancient history argument that is over 2000 years old, as it cannot be fully proven or disproven. When I talk about the modern nation of yunanistan, and how it was formed, we are automatically given an ancient speech of Alexander's time which nobody can really relate to today. That's the arvanitovlach tactic. To try and confuse you.

And every time the Macedonians rise to fight for their cause in places like Australia, they are challenged by politicians who subscribe to the tourkospore bullshit, and are funded by our mongrel friends ie. Jeff Kennett.

We Macedonians have come a long way in the last 100 years. It seems that we are finally gaining momentum, as Europe (as racist as they are) have no choice but to start listening to our Macedonian voice. If this was not true, then we Macedonians would have lost our identity 18 years ago. But we stil exist as Macedonians, and we always will.

Pozdrav,
Your Macedonian friend

THE WORD THRESSALONIK CAME FROM THE ANCIENT ROMAN EMPIRE THEY WHERE THE THRESSILIANS. THEY NAMED IT THAT NAME IN THE ROMAN EPIRE TIMES. ITS IN THE BIBLE ABOUT THE ANCINET THRESSIALIANS AND THEY AINT GREEK. SORRY TO SPOIL YOUR PARTY. MAKEDONIA MAKEDONIA MAKEDONIA MAKEDONIA ABUTI GREZIA.

Well guys I do not need to back up my research here, I have you to explain everything. And yes you are right about Jeff Kennett he listened to the Greek point of view and even visited Athens.
Greeks have fled to Australia.
Macedonians have also but! in much smaller numbers.

Gialtouridis is that really your name or are you a native Turk, Vlach etc

Neutral guy: You say 'greeks' have fled to Australia. I ask you, what is a 'greek'? It is the same concept as Australian. In reality, there is no such thing as an Australian, only a variety of races who have formed a nation. This yunanistan nation has the same concept. I think you will find many Macedonians, vlachs, turks, albanians, armenians among these people that you say have fled as 'greeks' to Australia. All these races have been assimilated forcefully by the yunanistan government since the nation's conception in the 1830's. Just read up about the nation's history, and by history i mean from the 1800's onwards, as this nation never existed before this time EVER!

Regards,
Your Macedonian friend

I have never heard such vehement disgusting rot in my entire life. Tourkospore? how do you justify such comments when the area of Skopje was under Turkish rule for 180 years longer than Greece was imprisoned? Were you too ugly for them to mix or hadn't you come down from the trees yet and they bypassed you? what has this got to do with the issue any way? is your referenced proof so little and so weak that you need to cast shadows on those who can provide reliable quotes properly referenced and yes that does mean showing the page number of the King Otto quote. Thessaloniki was named so because its etymology is victory over Thessalians niki = victory over Thessaly. what claptrap is this Thress garbage? and what has it to do with the issue anyway? Your country has been recognized by its constitutional name of Macedonia by some countries but there is NO country that recognizes you as the same Macedonians of Alexander and Aristotle. Stop creating illusions. Are you English if you speak English? pathetic. you speak English but do you promote it as your language and extol the virtues of being English. Have you adopted only its culture and wiped your own language off the face of the earth? Do you make sure that wherever you go you leave behind your now adopted English culture? Koine isn't the same as yunanistan? Firstly Alexander was referred to as yunan takabara meaning Greek with hat so yunan verifies that he is Greek. Is Shakespeare the same as modern English? And that was only a few hundred years ago yet Greeks can understand the 2500 year old language of Alexander better than the English can understand Othello. I can understand that the identity of such a people is glorious I can understand as your foreign minister said that in order to be recognized in the Balkans you must have a long history but this is ludicrous. History isn't a coat on a rack that you can tailor and trim down to fit. I guess the name calling takes the place of proper referenced material. You are not Macedonians beyond a politically created identity hell bent on undermining the now reduntant concept of unique culture and identity and regardless who supports you in this insane nwo era where the optimum is one race of mulato people under one common identity the reality will always be as your national hero gotce delcev stated....„...Defections and split-ups should not scare you at all. It is regrettable, indeed, but what is to be done if WE ARE BULGARIANS and we all suffer from the same disease (letter from Goce Delchev (great hero and fighter for the freedom of Bulgarians in Macedonia) to Nikola Malashevski, Jan. 5 1899). That is what a proper reference looks like.

To the Nazi collaborating communist loving former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia....

Greeks have integrated other groups into their country over the ages (Hellenenzing has been part of our culture since Alexander- something you'd know that if you have an actual clue what real Macedonian culture was about). However, the same is true of every ethnic group and nation (do a DNA test of Germans and Jews to see if they are pure descendants of ancient counterparts)

All those that criticize Greeks on alleged racial grounds should do a DNA test on themselves to see exactly how biologically pure descendants they are. (my bet is far far less than Greeks) The reality is virtually every test into modern Greek DNA says we are BIOLOGICALLY related to ancient Greeks (other than that Arnaiz study that used a single genetic marker to make the retarded claim we were "ethiopians" that your idiotic propagandists past all over the Internet).

The bottom line is we live in Macedonia0rather than say your Paeonia. We self-identify as Greeks-rather than say former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians. We still speak THE Greek language-rather than say a Bulgarian dialect renamed "Macedonian" by communists to fool the brain dead. (We will happily translate all the ancient Macedonian artifacts for you former ethnic Bulgarians that fear the language of Macedonians.... Greek)

Our modern culture isn't descended from ancient Peru or China... the vast majority of it owes its roots to ancient Greece you ethnically insecure genocidal twats.

I really can't understand why you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia so ashamed of your ethnic Bulgarian roots? Are you ashamed of your own ancestors?

Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
www.misirkov.org/kpm_zmr_eng.htm

"We are Bulgarians" (ethnic Bulgarian IMRO leader Gotse Delchev)
http://tinyurl.com/2vsvo3f

"We are Bulgarians and we always work and will work for the unification of the Bulgariandom.” (ethnic Bulgarians Dame Gruev)
http://tinyurl.com/39h9xkw

"The creation of the Macedonian nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the “Macedonian” historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the “Macedonian” identity was created. There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from the type of substitution of the word “Bulgarian” with the word “Macedonian” were made.
(Denko Maleski, former Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM)
Http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=C7A7DD4ECD45C946BF6573284EC01164

'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.' (former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth')

etc.. etc...

To the Nazi collaborating communist loving former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia....

Greeks have certainty integrated other groups into their country over the ages (Hellenenzing has been part of our culture since Alexander- something you'd know that if you have an actual clue what real Macedonian culture was about).

However, the same is true of every ethnic group and nation (do a DNA test of Germans and Jews to see if they are pure descendants of ancient counterparts)

Your pathetic listing of writers are virtually to a man far leftist flakes (that destruct reality until nothing but their empty world are left). All those that criticize Greeks on alleged racial grounds should do a DNA test on themselves to see exactly how biologically pure descendants they are. (my bet is far far less than Greeks)

Virtually every test into modern Greek DNA says we are BIOLOGICALLY related to ancient Greeks (other than that silly Arnaiz study that used a single genetic marker to make the silly claims we were "ethiopians" that your idiot propagandists past all over the Internet).

The bottom line is we live in Macedonia (rather than say your Paeonia), we self-identify as Greeks (rather than say former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians), we speak THE Greek language (rather than say a Bulgarian dialect renamed "Macedonian" by commmunists to fool the brain dead). We will happily translate all the ancient Macedonian artifacts for you former ethnic Bulgarians that fear the language of Macedonians.... Greek. Our culture isn't descended from ancient Peru or China... the vast majority of it owes its roots to ancient Greece you ungrateful and ethnically insecure little twats.


I really can't understand why you former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians of the former Yugoslavia so ashamed of your ethnic Bulgarian roots? Why are you ashamed of your own ancestors?

Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"
www.misirkov.org/kpm_zmr_eng.htm

"We are Bulgarians" (ethnic Bulgarian IMRO leader Gotse Delchev)
http://tinyurl.com/2vsvo3f

"We are Bulgarians and we always work and will work for the unification of the Bulgariandom.” (ethnic Bulgarians Dame Gruev)
http://tinyurl.com/39h9xkw

"The creation of the Macedonian nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the “Macedonian” historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the “Macedonian” identity was created. There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from the type of substitution of the word “Bulgarian” with the word “Macedonian” were made.
(Denko Maleski, former Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM)
Http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=C7A7DD4ECD45C946BF6573284EC01164

'Why are we ashamed and flee from the truth that whole positive Macedonian revolutionary tradition comes exactly from exarchist part of Macedonian people? We shall not say a new truth if we mention the fact that everyone, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov, Pere Toshev - must I list and count all of them - were teachers of the Bulgarian Exarchate in Macedonia.'
(former Prime Minister of FYROM, Ljubco Georgievski, 2007, in his book 'Facing the truth')

etc.. etc...